# If you're white and all you can think about is how good blacks have it, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048 "2009-07-06T04:26:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/121 "2009-07-07T18:31:45Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > That’s funny, because the OP is white. Poser. > [@](#): > > Jackass. Hater. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/122 "2009-07-07T18:41:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Sorry to break up the monstro love fest, but if you think you are rebutting stupidity, you’re doing it wrong. Claiming that the US promised to pay reparations qualifies as advancing stupidity, not rebutting it. Rebut this, please: [Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule) ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/123 "2009-07-07T18:50:30Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Rebut this, please: [Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule) Well of course uneducated, newly emancipated slaves should have realized that a General of the United States Army, backed up by thousands of men wearing the uniform of the United States Army wasn’t carrying out official United States policy, and should not have acted in reliance on said order for 6 months, building homes and planting crops. It’s their own fault, really. They should instead (despite labor codes and descriminatory laws) have educated themselves and become tax lawyers (once the bar admitted black tax lawyers) and lived happily ever after. And of course had sympathy for the white tax lawyers who suffered as much from slavery as they did. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/124 "2009-07-07T18:52:13Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Rebut this, please: [Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule) Rebut what? Certain US officials may have promised certain things to certain people, but that doesn’t add up to “the US promised to pay reparations for slavery,” which is what monstro claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/125 "2009-07-07T18:56:32Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Well of course uneducated, newly emancipated slaves should have realized that a General of the United States Army, backed up by thousands of men wearing the uniform of the United States Army wasn’t carrying out official United States policy, and should not have acted in reliance on said order for 6 months, building homes and planting crops. It’s their own fault, really. They should instead (despite labor codes and descriminatory laws) have educated themselves and become tax lawyers (once the bar admitted black tax lawyers) and lived happily ever after. And of course had sympathy for the white tax lawyers who suffered as much from slavery as they did. Yes, it’s much easier to just make up absolute BS than to respond to any of the actual arguments I make in threads, so I can’t fault you for adopting this tactic. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/126 "2009-07-07T18:59:06Z")
Much more fun too! Just trying to help out, sparky. Kisses. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/127 "2009-07-07T21:25:03Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Well of course uneducated, newly emancipated slaves should have realized that a General of the United States Army, backed up by thousands of men wearing the uniform of the United States Army wasn’t carrying out official United States policy, and should not have acted in reliance on said order for 6 months, building homes and planting crops. It’s their own fault, really. They should instead (despite labor codes and descriminatory laws) have educated themselves and become tax lawyers (once the bar admitted black tax lawyers) and lived happily ever after. And of course had sympathy for the white tax lawyers who suffered as much from slavery as they did. They also could have waited to run for Miss America: “40DD and a mule”. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/128 "2009-07-08T00:22:08Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > What is this thread all about and why was it necessary to call it into existence? One reason is we’ve had a small influx of folks that carry with them the stench of “White Nationalist”, playing their game of asking questions with race as a motivator. The other reason is that we’ve got a bit of a race issue, even now, in the US, and it gets talked about on occasion. And I’m CLEARLY out of my league on this one, so I’ll stay the hell out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/129 "2009-07-08T03:19:58Z")
We also have a slavery issue even now within the US and throughout the world. As many as twenty-seven _million_ people are currently enslaved in the world. And so many of them are children who are sex slaves. Five and six year old children here in the U.S. _That_ is what makes me angry. That is what sickens me – not the words of an otherwise well-educated woman who sees statues of long dead white Confederate leaders as “spooky” and thinks they would all have shot Arthur Ashe on sight. Apparently, she has no idea that Lee was offered a command in the Union Army first. (Hey, all Confederate leaders were alike.) **Monstro** doesn’t make sense. From the same post: > [@](#): > > **Monstro** : I’m apparently a lot tougher than you (for some strange reason) and I know how to dust off comments that I find disagreeable without going berserko. > [@](#): > > **Monstro** : You are really making me sick, in the truest sense of the word. Which one of those statements is true? Are you the tough girl or the victim? This thread is the first time that I have ever responded to any of your negative comments to me or about white people. You call yourself “militant.” Then what are **YOU** doing about the slavery that exists today? ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/130 "2009-07-08T03:28:01Z")
Zoe, I don’t dare speak for Monstro. Montro would eat my fucking lunch any day of the week, and I would be standing there stuttering in my middle school drop out babble-eese. But I do want to make a statement about the word militant. I was the one that used that word. When she used it, I am pretty sure she was being sarcastic? And with that, my name is bennet, and I’m not in it! I just wanted to clarify that tiny point, since I was the one that used the word. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/131 "2009-07-08T03:29:32Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > We also have a slavery issue even now within the US and throughout the world. Preach it sister. And throughout history, the number of non-black people that have been slaves dwarfs the number of black people that have been slaves. The word “slave” itself comes from the word “slav” (as in the people from the former country of Yugoslavia), who are white. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/132 "2009-07-08T04:12:10Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > White people have neither race nor culture. They are the norm from which all other people and cultures deviate. I am white and suburban. My culture enables me to find the nearest mall within 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/133 "2009-07-08T04:38:59Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rand Rover** : …the number of non-black people that have been slaves dwarfs the number of black people that have been slaves. Suffering is done one person at a time. The “race” of the person enslaved is irrelevant to me. The age of the person and whether or not she or he is tortured matters to me. (Five year olds have little change of freeing themselves.) Here is an example of two people who were convicted [in my own neighborhood.](http://www.wsmv.com/news/10320275/detail.html) They are suspected of having links to a larger slave ring. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/134 "2009-07-08T05:38:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Preach it sister. And throughout history, the number of non-black people that have been slaves dwarfs the number of black people that have been slaves. The word “slave” itself comes from the word “slav” (as in the people from the former country of Yugoslavia), who are white. As well as Russia, Poland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, the Ukraine, and Bulgarians, among others. (Although the word “[Slav](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slav#Origin_of_the_term_Slav)” actually means _glory_, or _fame_.) ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/135 "2009-07-08T06:00:18Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > One reason is we’ve had a small influx of folks that carry with them the stench of “White Nationalist”, playing their game of asking questions with race as a motivator. Yeah, I noticed that too. Great Debates’ front page is lousy with it. There’s the thread that inspired this one, more insipid and disingenuous whining about why black people have a black beauty pageant, “reverse racism”, etc; there’s the reparations thread (translation: “Why can’t you black people be more like my white, non-colonialized ancestors and pull yourselves up by your bootstraps? Discrimination was so 1800s”); there’s the tired old arguments about how blacks are dumber than whites; and there’s my fave, the thread where people pretend they want to understand why a majority of black people come out against gay marriage, when they clearly just want to vent on a convenient scapegoat. Props to **you with the face** and **monstro** for fighting the good fight. Just reading some of that shit gets tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/136 "2009-07-08T10:34:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Which one of those statements is true? Are you the tough girl or the victim? You are making me sick as in, you are working my last nerve with your narcissism and histrionics. It’s like looking into the mind of a living personality disorder when I’ve been interacting with you lately. You are making me wish we had never had contact before. _That_ is what is making me sick, and _that_ is unfortunate, especially given the positive interactions we’ve had in the past. Your silly and stupid comments about me playing the victim are just that and don’t bother me in the least. But the breakdown of our internet relationship has. Perhaps everyone in the world is like you and it’s better for me not to befriend faceless people on the 'net. 'Cuz I don’t have time to deal with people who hold grudges over petty things and who carry those grudges into irrevelant threads. I’m much too laid back for the likes of you. I don’t find it surprising that you and **Rand Rover** , another narcissist, are in full agreement in this thread. Never thought I would see the day, but whoop! there it is. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/137 "2009-07-08T10:41:48Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Zoe, I don’t dare speak for Monstro. Montro would eat my fucking lunch any day of the week, and I would be standing there stuttering in my middle school drop out babble-eese. But I do want to make a statement about the word militant. I was the one that used that word. When she used it, I am pretty sure she was being sarcastic? > > And with that, my name is bennet, and I’m not in it! I just wanted to clarify that tiny point, since I was the one that used the word. No, don’t apologize. I used the word militant because many Dopers think I am. Of course, they never say so but that’s how they respond to me. I could be communicating in the exact style of all the other posters in the thread (as I did in this one), and suddenly people are lecturing me on my attitude and the chip on my shoulder. I say a historical wound still stings and suddenly I’m Stokely Carmichael lugging an AKA 47. It’s like verbal discrimination or something. I don’t know. If people could see me in real life, they would see how TOTALLY unangry I am. Sure, I get pissed off just like everyone else. But I’m not seething with anger or calling for the death of whitey. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/138 "2009-07-08T12:58:36Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > That is what sickens me – not the words of an otherwise well-educated woman who sees statues of long dead white Confederate leaders as “spooky” and thinks they would all have shot Arthur Ashe on sight. Apparently, she has no idea that Lee was offered a command in the Union Army first. (Hey, all Confederate leaders were alike.) What on earth does Lee being offered a post in the Union army have to do with anything? The fact that the Confederacy’s _raison d’etre_ was the preservation of slavery does not necessarily mean either that the purpose of the Union in fighting was to eliminate slavery, just as the presence of pro-slavery men in the Union army in no way eliminates the pro-slavery bent of the CSA. Not all Confederate leaders were alike. But they all fought for a government whose purpose was to preserve the bondage of black individuals. And all the ones who commemorated in that stretch in Richmond were traitors (to the extent I believe they all were either graduates of West Point or had served as officers in the US Army, and had therefore taken an oath of allegiance to the United States). I don’t think all of them would have shot Arthur Ashe on sight. Some of them would have been content with a whipping so long as Mr. Ashe afterwards managed to get a good shine on their cavalry boots. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/139 "2009-07-08T13:03:30Z")
Monstro, you seem to believe that people are misrepresenting your views, so let’s get some basic aspects of your views out in the open. Do you think that someone (and if so, who?) should pay reparations to someone (and if so, who?) for US slavery? If so, what form should these payments take (ie, cash or building parks in black neighborhoods or what?)? ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/140 "2009-07-08T13:51:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Monstro, you seem to believe that people are misrepresenting your views, so let’s get some basic aspects of your views out in the open. > > Do you think that someone (and if so, who?) should pay reparations to someone (and if so, who?) for US slavery? If so, what form should these payments take (ie, cash or building parks in black neighborhoods or what?)? You, you, you take your logistical concerns and logic out of this otherwise excellent diatribe! Blasphemer! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=8)