# If you've enjoyed Iraq, you'll love Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141 "2005-01-17T02:53:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/81 "2005-01-18T03:33:53Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Bush will certainly get his “blood will flow like rivers”. > > The final battle between good and evil. > > Armegeddon. > > The hard part is deciding who is evil. Hey, maybe much of the Muslim world had it right all along. In this corner, weighing in at 280 million, sporting the red, white, and blue, THE GREAT SATAN! Seriously, if we ever had the moral high ground, it’s down to a crappy pair of platform shoes at the moment, if that. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/82 "2005-01-18T03:41:19Z")
> [@Kolak of Twilo](#): > > Of course we could, we would just need more soldiers. This is just the strategy that would get us in a situation where we **have to** reinstate the draft to save our necks. It also lets lil’ Georgie and his pals bring “freedom” to this region of the world, take over all the oil fields and prove those nasty mean Old Europeans wrong. > > BLECH! > > But I still think they will do it. You have to remember. A draft doesn’t mean automatic soldiers. They will still need to be trained. At least enough to tell the front from the rear of the rifles… ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/83 "2005-01-18T03:59:01Z")
I realize that Reeder. It’s just the guys are so sneaky and duplicitous I’ve gotten to where I see them as being capable of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/84 "2005-01-18T04:18:07Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Put me in the ‘knock out some bases that we think are producing chemical etc agents’ camp. Let’s do that right away. After all, Bush’s bombing of the chemical weapons factories in Iraq was really effective. As was Clinton’s bombing of the Aspirin factory in Sudan. :rolleyes: :wally ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/85 "2005-01-18T08:24:56Z")
I see Iran taking the initiative and escalating Iraq into a proxy war with the US. Who knows what Syria and indeed SA and Afghanistan might do? The semantic question is whether the US is now an imminent or a grave threat to Iran, thereby obligating the Iranians to take whatever action they should choose appropriate. To general acclamation I assume. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/86 "2005-01-18T13:24:03Z")
I also hate to throw cold water on the party…but Hirsch is full of shit. This kind of crap plays well to the crowd that desperately wants to hear it and continue to believe that Bush is a puppet whose strings are pulled by Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al, while they are not busy rubbing their hands with glee over a world map and cackling about world conquest. Here are a few inconvienent facts for many of you. The government of Iran is hostile to the United States, most of its people are not. My guess is the plan is to wait the government out. A draft is not feasable for many reasons, two of the primary ones being the death of political popularity and the problem of creating a schism in the armed forces between draftees and volunteers. If an attack on Iran does happen, it will be because the their continued insistance on developing nuclear weapons. Bush has made clear that this will not be permitted…and if we don’t do it, Isreal might. And to answer the question of why we get to decide who has them and who doesn’t? Because we can. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/87 "2005-01-18T13:44:36Z")
Yeah I kinda enjoyed Iraq. Looking forward to Iran. Perhaps I should try to arrange so I have a vacation during the most interesting part. ---
**Author:** ![cj\_finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@cj\_finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cj_finn)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/88 "2005-01-18T13:45:27Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > I also hate to throw cold water on the party…but Hirsch is full of shit. > > This kind of crap plays well to the crowd that desperately wants to hear it and continue to believe that Bush is a puppet whose strings are pulled by Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al, while they are not busy rubbing their hands with glee over a world map and cackling about world conquest. > > Here are a few inconvienent facts for many of you. > > The government of Iran is hostile to the United States, most of its people are not. My guess is the plan is to wait the government out. > > A draft is not feasable for many reasons, two of the primary ones being the death of political popularity and the problem of creating a schism in the armed forces between draftees and volunteers. > > If an attack on Iran does happen, it will be because the their continued insistance on developing nuclear weapons. Bush has made clear that this will not be permitted…and if we don’t do it, Isreal might. And to answer the question of why we get to decide who has them and who doesn’t? Because we can. Dude: I am amazed at the auditory quality of this place. I could swear you were an echo from approximately two years ago. I had to re-read your post to see if you had typed Iraq or Iran. I love the irony of Hirsch coming out and saying that the US military is preparing for doing some damage to Iran, followed by an amazingly detailed denial from the pentagon that isn’t really much of a denial (and since I think Hirsch is Jewish, isn’t it a bit weird that the Pentagon denial hints that his report is anti-semitic?), followed by a statement from Bush that he won’t rule out bombing Iran. Its kind of like: Brer Hirsch: You’re planning on grabbing the tar baby! Brer Pentagon/Rumsfield: Am not! Brer Bush: Well, we won’t rule it out. Nice. CJ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/89 "2005-01-18T14:22:37Z")
> [@Windwalker](#): > > Seriously, if we ever had the moral high ground, it’s down to a crappy pair of platform shoes at the moment, if that. [hijack] :: vigorous applause :: That line is simply too good not to acknowledge. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/90 "2005-01-18T17:13:00Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > I also hate to throw cold water on the party…but Hirsch is full of shit. He was full of shit with the Abu G. torture stuff too. oh wait… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/91 "2005-01-19T01:31:04Z")
This seems pretty clear: [Bush Tells Troops ‘Much More Will Be Asked of You’](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=1&u=/nm/20050119/pl_nm/bush_inaugural_dc) > [@](#): > > “In Afghanistan and Iraq, the liberty that has been won at great cost now must be secured. We still face terrorist enemies who wish to harm our people, and are seeking weapons that would allow them to kill on an unprecedented scale. These enemies must be stopped, and **you are the ones who will stop them**.” ---
**Author:** ![Floyd13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@Floyd13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floyd13)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/92 "2005-01-19T01:41:11Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > I don’t have a lot of respect for the administration, but another war? Nobody is that stupid. Are you sure about that? I mean, we just re-elected a mass murderer who claims to hear voices in his head. At this point, I think Bush could nuke New York City and the dumbfucks would say, praise jeebus! ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/93 "2005-01-19T01:53:28Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > I also hate to throw cold water on the party…but Hirsch is full of shit. > > This kind of crap plays well to the crowd that desperately wants to hear it and continue to believe that Bush is a puppet whose strings are pulled by Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al, while they are not busy rubbing their hands with glee over a world map and cackling about world conquest. > > Here are a few inconvienent facts for many of you. > > The government of Iran is hostile to the United States, most of its people are not. My guess is the plan is to wait the government out. > > A draft is not feasable for many reasons, two of the primary ones being the death of political popularity and the problem of creating a schism in the armed forces between draftees and volunteers. > > If an attack on Iran does happen, it will be because the their continued insistance on developing nuclear weapons. Bush has made clear that this will not be permitted…and if we don’t do it, Isreal might. And to answer the question of why we get to decide who has them and who doesn’t? Because we can. 1. If Hirsch is full of shit, then you should be able to come up with some proof refuting his allegations. Produce it! 2. I’m inclined to believe that Mr. Bush takes recommendations made by his top advisors **very** seriously. That does not constitute being a puppet in their hands. 3. It must be sheer coincidence that companies which are or were closely connected to top figures in this Administration seem to be benefitting substantially from the wars it’s gotten us engaged in. 4. Yes, the Iranian government does not like our policies very well. Surprise – Serbia didn’t like Austria-Hungary’s very well 91 years back, either. Sabre-rattling in the neighborhood tends to upset people. 5. Mr. Bush could push through a draft now if he made a cogent case for needing one that convinced his Republican supporters. And he would divide the country bitterly if he tried it. 6. Don’t **even** think of playing the Weapons of Mass Destruction card again. The American people are not completely brain dead yet. 7. Your last two sentences are utterly vile. I’m an only child, and nearly was never conceived at all, because someone else decided to play the “Might makes right” game. I am disgusted, chagrined, and apologetic to the rest of the world at being a citizen of a country that thinks it can do it now – and consider it loathsome that you would say it, even in the Pit. (And I hope there are some moral Republicans around that will back me up on that.) ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/94 "2005-01-19T01:57:24Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Bush will certainly get his “blood will flow like rivers”. > > The final battle between good and evil. > > Armegeddon. > > The hard part is deciding who is evil. Probably both sides… ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/95 "2005-01-19T01:59:00Z")
If Bush does invade Iran… he is as dumb as we make him out to be… but I’d not bet on that. He will probably just resort to bombing and raiding… and naturally using the word “Freedom” like a whore. So a War seems unfeasible now… some strong armed tactics using bombs isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/96 "2005-01-19T02:07:08Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > The government of Iran is hostile to the United States, most of its people are not. My guess is the plan is to wait the government out. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I’m sure the Iranian people have completely forgiven the United States overthrowing its one legitimate, democratic, secular government and replacing it with a brutal dictator for 20 years. That’s not to say that Iranians want to nuke the United States or commit terrorist bombings in the DC Mall. But that’s because they’re not murdering fucks, not because they like the United States. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Iranian people would love to see the United States flee the region with its tail between its legs. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/97 "2005-01-19T02:10:34Z")
I think **Evil One** made an error in drawing the connection to the United States. He probably meant something more along the lines of “the government of Iran is strict fundamentalist - like many terrorists - whereas many of its people don’t want to continue that.” ---
**Author:** ![cj\_finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@cj\_finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cj_finn)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/98 "2005-01-19T02:18:39Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I think **Evil One** made an error in drawing the connection to the United States. He probably meant something more along the lines of “the government of Iran is strict fundamentalist - like many terrorists - whereas many of its people don’t want to continue that.” Then I suppose it wouldn’t be too much for him to come back and tell us what he meant. For that matter, perhaps you could tell us where you get your information from, unless its supposition (not bad in itself, but you should clarify). CJ ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/99 "2005-01-19T02:20:09Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I think **Evil One** made an error in drawing the connection to the United States. He probably meant something more along the lines of “the government of Iran is strict fundamentalist - like many terrorists - whereas many of its people don’t want to continue that.” That’s a fair analysis, but I don’t think that’s what **Evil One** meant. I think he believes that the Iranian people are pro-US. Like many people, he confuses the fact that the Iranian people would like Western style human rights and democracy with people liking the United States and Europe themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/100 "2005-01-19T03:58:01Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Like many people, he confuses the fact that the Iranian people would like Western style human rights and democracy with people liking the United States and Europe themselves. I second this ! Probably spot on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141.md?page=6)