# If you've enjoyed Iraq, you'll love Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141 "2005-01-17T02:53:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/121 "2005-01-21T13:59:21Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Because if their nuclear facilities were destroyed, the Iranians wouldn’t know immediately who did it. :rolleyes: Yea but they wouldn’t have nukes. > [@](#): > > Just shows the typical Bush-supporter mindset. They don’t want to know what’s being done in their name, I guess then later they can claim they didn’t know what was going on and shouldn’t be held accountable for who they supported. So much for personal responsibility, huh? I’m not a Bush-supporter so much as I am an anti-anti-Busher. One doesn’t need to be a Bush-supporter to believe that some operations need to be secret to be successful. [/quote] > [@](#): > > I can think of something good. The administration knocks it the fuck off before they result in another catastrophe like Iraq. That would be fucking great. > > And yeah, it’s possible they think they’re protecting us from getting nuked, but these are the same clowns that didn’t pay any attention to al-Qaeda because they didn’t think they were a threat and who believed that Iraq was so much of a threat that it needed immediate invading. > > Frankly, these people are incompetent. So are you against the idea of secret operations in Iran or against the idea of secret operations in Iran managed by the current admin? ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/122 "2005-01-22T01:46:44Z")
I just feel the need to point this out: > [@](#): > > The Pentagon?s contingency plans for a broader invasion of Iran are also being updated. Strategists at the headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, in Tampa, Florida, have been asked to revise the military?s war plan, providing for a maximum ground and air invasion of Iran. Updating the plan makes sense, whether or not the Administration intends to act, because the geopolitics of the region have changed dramatically in the last three years. Previously, an American invasion force would have had to enter Iran by sea, by way of the Persian Gulf or the Gulf of Oman; now troops could move in on the ground, from Afghanistan or Iraq. Commando units and other assets could be introduced through new bases in the Central Asian republics. …from the Hersh article. Way back when, I asked **Brutus** for reasons why he thought we invaded Iraq, besides the WMD reason, and one he gave had to do with surrounding Iran. I remember thinking the same thing at the time; it’s obvious if you look at a map. So, they may be a bit more, shall we say, realistic about what it takes to invade and occupy a country, but that doesn’t mean Iran isn’t in their gunsights, and I think it’s pretty obvious it has been for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/123 "2005-01-22T15:33:12Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > So are you against the idea of secret operations in Iran or against the idea of secret operations in Iran managed by the current admin? Well, given their masterful successes at every operation they’ve conducted - from capturing bin Laden to being completely correct about the reaction Iraqi citizens would have on being invaded - at this point it’s mostly them being run by these incompetents. While I have no problem with secret operations in principle, I have yet to see very many “secret operations” kept secret for some reason other than because the operation was illegal, immoral and something that the general public would not support if they knew about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/124 "2005-01-22T16:16:05Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Iran having a nuke wouldn’t frighten me in the least. I’m much more worried about Pakistan having nukes, seeing as how their intelligence agency has been known to cooperate with al-Qaeda. But they’re our ally, right? :dubious: Yeah, but you forget Iran supports Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Iran seems to be Israels biggest enemy, do I have to draw a diagram? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/125 "2005-01-22T16:37:42Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Yeah, but you forget Iran supports Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Iran seems to be Israels biggest enemy, do I have to draw a diagram? Yes, and? They’re not going to give Hezbollah or Hamas a nuclear weapon or even the materials to build a dirty bomb. Why? Because all fingers would immediately point to them and they be wiped out. Do I have to draw you a diagram? Or can I count on you to start using your brain at some point? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/126 "2005-01-22T17:02:56Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Do I have to draw you a diagram? Or can I count on you to start using your brain at some point? You realize of course, exactly what/whom you’re dealing with, right? If not, mayhaps this bit of mockery might help you put things in context: > [@](#): > > \*\*Q: How many Bushbots does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. > > Why do you hate America?\*\* Too close to the truth to be really funny…but still. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/127 "2005-01-22T22:13:02Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Yes, and? They’re not going to give Hezbollah or Hamas a nuclear weapon or even the materials to build a dirty bomb. Why? Because all fingers would immediately point to them and they be wiped out. > > Do I have to draw you a diagram? Or can I count on you to start using your brain at some point? They’ll supply it to someone anyway, and then the finger will be pointed at them it’ll just take longer for it to happen. Use your fucking brains people, the Iranian leadership wants to destroy Israel, dominate the Middle East and call the shots against the West, and will do anything to achieve this end. Nothing they do is completely innocent, and we must do all we can to destory their regime internally and externally. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/128 "2005-01-22T22:55:23Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Use your fucking brains people, the Iranian leadership wants to destroy Israel, dominate the Middle East and call the shots against the West, and will do anything to achieve this end. Nothing they do is completely innocent, and we must do all we can to destory their regime internally and externally. Why? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/129 "2005-01-22T23:25:13Z")
The Israelis had better get serious about making peace with the Palestinians. Now that the evil bogeyman (Arafat) is dead, what excuse do they need? Now is the time to make a bold stroke, and end the so-far endless violence between Isral and the Palestinians. One would hope that Sharon would realize just how thin the ice (he is treading on) is! ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/130 "2005-01-22T23:59:30Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Why? Because Iranians are the NEW great Satan, the wounded snake? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/131 "2005-01-23T00:38:51Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Use your fucking brains people, the Iranian leadership wants to destroy Israel, dominate the Middle East and call the shots against the West, and will do anything to achieve this end. Nothing they do is completely innocent, and we must do all we can to destory their regime internally and externally. The Iranian leadership doesn’t actually much care about Israel, aside from its primary value as a “street cred” bogeyman. Sure, they’d like to dominate the middle east, but so what? So do Syria, Egypt, Iraq, etc. They’re not going to risk nuclear annihilation to get it. Nothing they do may not be completely innocent, but nothing we do is completely innocent, either. Welcome to the real world, kid. The idea that we need to destroy regimes, using any means necessary, is how we wound up with the theocracy in Iran in the first place. I don’t know about you, but I prefer to learn from mistakes and not repeat them. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141/132 "2005-01-24T12:34:26Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Use your fucking brains people, the Iranian leadership wants to destroy Israel, dominate the Middle East and call the shots against the West, and will do anything to achieve this end. Nothing they do is completely innocent, and we must do all we can to destory their regime internally and externally. Reverse it: So the solution is for the US to dominate the Middle East, call the shots against the East and do anything to achieve this end ? Naturally everthing the US does is innocent and so forth… by implication. Does anything in your world get solved without violence and using force ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youve-enjoyed-iraq-youll-love-iran/285141.md?page=6)