# Ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975 "2007-02-13T03:44:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/281 "2007-03-15T17:00:39Z")
I’m obsessed with this stupid game. I’ve got work to do, but I can’t tear myself away from the SDMB. Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/282 "2007-03-15T17:03:09Z")
It looks bad for the wolves. It’ll take a crazy stunt to pull their fat out of the fryer. But I think they may be building towards one. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/283 "2007-03-15T17:11:41Z")
I’d like to get my name on the list for the next game. Looks like fun. A lot of people have expressed interest, though, so it’s going to be a very large pool of players. Do you think the Mods would allow two games simultaneously? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/284 "2007-03-15T17:16:41Z")
I don’t think i’d start another game straight away once the other is finished. For one thing, I haven’t yet asked for permission to start another; mainly in case there’s some horrible fallout and everyone ends up hating each other. I don’t think that’ll happen, but I don’t really want to ask without the Mods having seen how the whole thing goes. The other reason is that some people in this game want to play again. I’d like to give them a little bit of time just so they can forget this game, and hopefully not get events of one confused with the other. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/285 "2007-03-15T17:21:44Z")
I can’t decide if I want to re-up or not. Once the new job gets into high gear I doubt I’ll have enough time. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/286 "2007-03-15T17:21:47Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] It looks bad for the wolves. It’ll take a crazy stunt to pull their fat out of the fryer. But I think they may be building towards one. [/QUOTE] See, I don’t see it, although I obviously don’t have a few bits of essential information that you do have. What sort of crazy stunt is even possible? **MadtheSwine** may somehow manage to survive this day, with **dnoorman** lynched in his place, but how on Earth will he persuade anyone not to lynch him the following day? Let me see if I can come up with something: they obviously want **dnoorman** to die here. Once again, **MadtheSwine** seemed oddly confident that a **sturmhauke** probe would prove him safe; perhaps **Mad** _is_ the new Alpha? So, lessee… **dnoorman** dies tonight. They leave **sturmhauke** alive one more night, hoping he’ll probe **Mad** and tell the town that **Mad** is town. No one thinks of the new Alpha idea, so they leave **Mad** alone on the Seer’s say-so, and lynch one of their own. **Sturmhauke** gets eaten next, followed by **Wanderers** and any other out Masons. I guess. But even under that plan the town would surely start to suspect **Mad** once it comes down to him, three Masons, and a bunch of other people. Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/287 "2007-03-15T17:29:37Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Let me see if I can come up with something: they obviously want **dnoorman** to die here. Once again, **MadtheSwine** seemed oddly confident that a **sturmhauke** probe would prove him safe; perhaps **Mad** _is_ the new Alpha? So, lessee… **dnoorman** dies tonight. They leave **sturmhauke** alive one more night, hoping he’ll probe **Mad** and tell the town that **Mad** is town. No one thinks of the new Alpha idea, so they leave **Mad** alone on the Seer’s say-so, and lynch one of their own. **Sturmhauke** gets eaten next, followed by **Wanderers** and any other out Masons. I guess. But even under that plan the town would surely start to suspect **Mad** once it comes down to him, three Masons, and a bunch of other people. Am I missing something? [/QUOTE] Hmm… has it been stated whether it’s possible to get a ‘new Alpha’ at any time?? If it is conceivable, then maybe the new alpha has already been investigated - jsgoddess or richard parker. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/288 "2007-03-15T17:30:35Z")
**Rubystreak** says that that RT said that they would get no new Alpha Werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/289 "2007-03-15T18:20:56Z")
**Mad The Swine** has been lynched and revealed as a werewolf. The game is still on, so there is at least one more - obviously **dnoorman** is one. Why the hell would he admit it? Deny and cast doubt on the seer, would be a better strategy, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_Lurker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/290 "2007-03-15T18:24:10Z")
[QUOTE=Smitty] **Mad The Swine** has been lynched and revealed as a werewolf. The game is still on, so there is at least one more - obviously **dnoorman** is one. Why the hell would he admit it? Deny and cast doubt on the seer, would be a better strategy, I think. [/QUOTE] Because the game was over. Mad was sunk, dnooman was fingered. I’m assuming they’re the last two. At best he could have dragged it out another day (this assumes all of the remaining townspeople were high on bad mead or something). Once they lynched sturm and found out he was the seer, they’d come right back for dnooman. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/291 "2007-03-15T18:30:46Z")
[QUOTE=Long Time Lurker] Because the game was over. Mad was sunk, dnooman was fingered. I’m assuming they’re the last two. At best he could have dragged it out another day (this assumes all of the remaining townspeople were high on bad mead or something). Once they lynched sturm and found out he was the seer, they’d come right back for dnooman. [/QUOTE] Yeah, this one seems done. It was a fun game though. I can’t wait to read the wolf boards once they open up. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/292 "2007-03-15T18:45:01Z")
You know, it’s a bloody good thing for the Townspeople that I was killed on the first night. I haven’t made a correct read since my vote on **Menocchio**. After I was killed, I was certain that it was because I’d been pressuring **One and Only Wanderers**. I was watching the game hoping that someone would go back, read my posts and realize it(in that big summary post, I mention his name something like 15 times, way more than anybody else). Then **dnooman** posted this: > [@dnooman](#): > > I did a quick back of the envelope tally of votes made on the first day, and one thing stuck out. Only one person cast official votes (with unvotes in there too) for three separate people. The same person was also the first person to cast an official vote. That person is One And Only Wanderers! > > Sounds like someone’s trying really hard to throw us off their scent. > > Speaking of which, jsgoddess sure likes to point that finger, but she did show more restraint in the way of voting. Unless my vote counts are off, jsgoddess recieved the same amount of votes as Mennochio, just at different times and with votes being changed. > > Anyone else wondering why the heck they chose Rysto? This drove me nuts. How could somebody go through the entire first day, notice that Wanderers voted 3 times, and not at least notice that I’d voted for him? Eventually it hit me: dnooman was trying to start a bandwagon against Wanderers without being seen to have done it. As I was convinced that Wanderers was a Werewolf, I concluded that dnooman had to be the Seer. I had a short email exchange with RT later on, in which he revealed that Wanderers was Town. I should have seen it then. If dnooman wanted to start a bandwagon against a Townie without being seen to have started it, he was likely a Werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/293 "2007-03-15T19:08:41Z")
The wolf boards are pretty interesting. A Day or two ago, they managed to work out pretty accurately who had each townie role - I wasn’t expecting them to get that good an idea of things. Just to answer a question that seems confused - Yes, **Rubystreak** is correct, once **Menocchio** was gone there was no new Alpha Wolf. Any werewolves at this point will appear to be werewolves to the Seer. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/294 "2007-03-15T19:13:22Z")
Awesome. At least I can say my little slip of the keyboard actually managed to shed light on the game in general, and (very) indirectly led to the demise of the werewolves. It was still a tough spot to be in. Excellently played, **sturmhauke**. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/295 "2007-03-15T19:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Awesome. At least I can say my little slip of the keyboard actually managed to shed light on the game in general, and (very) indirectly led to the demise of the werewolves. It was still a tough spot to be in. Excellently played, **sturmhauke**. [/QUOTE] Except it was strategy during the night. That’s a no-no. And it likely directly ended the game, depending on if sturm saw it or not. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/296 "2007-03-15T19:30:52Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Awesome. At least I can say my little slip of the keyboard actually managed to shed light on the game in general, and (very) indirectly led to the demise of the werewolves. It was still a tough spot to be in. Excellently played, **sturmhauke**. [/QUOTE] Hello eveyone,glad that’s over…I hardly wanted to deal with the Hare-Brained scheme I was working up…they never woulda bought it I’m sure, but I guess it would have been fun trying,had I been spared the noose. Ogre your little “slip” was against the rules of the game and while I think we were done for anyway, you hastened it along by violating the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/297 "2007-03-15T19:34:50Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] Except it was strategy during the night. That’s a no-no. And it likely directly ended the game, depending on if sturm saw it or not. [/QUOTE] True enough, but I’m begging ignorance on this one. When I got home from vacation, I skimmed the thread very rapidly and missed **Rev** ’s official announcement at the bottom of page 23. I honestly thought I was in the span of time between the deadline and the official post. That’s why I posted that I knew I was no longer able to vote, but that I wanted to be heard. It was only later that I realized I had posted at night. So, yes, I screwed up. Either way, the jig was up. **MtS** was already halfway to the chopping block and would have been doomed by my death anyway, and since I did not reveal myself as the GA in my post, I believe **sturmhauke** probably would have investigated **dnooman** anyway. I suppose we’ll find out. > [@](#): > > Ogre your little “slip” was against the rules of the game and while I think we were done for anyway, you hastened it along by violating the rule. See above. ---
**Author:** ![sciguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@sciguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciguy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/298 "2007-03-15T19:42:05Z")
[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong] **Revenant Threshold** , can I ask how the announcement would have gone if Ogre had chosen to protect himself? Specifically, would it have been announced only that the wolves failed to make a kill? Thus leaving the town to guess who had been targeted? If you would have named Ogre as the intended victim, would you reveal his status? Or would it have been more like “luckily he was under divine protection”? Just wondering how much info would have been gained in that case. [/QUOTE] I’m wondering this too (trying to get a feel for the game, I might join up the next one). Let’s say it’s early (second night, since the GA is probably going to target themselves the first, barring any “special” claims the first day), and the GA and wolves coincidentally target the same townie. Come morning, is there an official announcement on who was spared (although probably not their role), or is there just the fact that no one’s dead? An announcement would give the townies information that the targetted player is “town”, and that the GA (possibly) had some reason to protect them. Based on some of the other rules, I’m suspecting it’d go like this: 1. Wolves target townie **X**. GA protects **X**. Attack fails 2. **X** gets an off-board notification that they were attacked, but survived due to divine intervention. 3. At the start of the next day, the only public knowlege is that no one was killed. Obviously someone was protected. 4. This leads to the chance of a claim / counter-claim situation where only the wolves, the targetted player, and the GA know for sure. Although the protection assumption in step 3 leads to another potential wrinkle: do the wolves have the option to **not** attack someone during the night? Or would the drawback (not reducing their enemies’ numbers) massively outweigh the possible gain from added misinformation? If they didn’t kill a townie, then a wolf piped up with “Hallelulah, I was _saved_ by the glory of $DEITY”, that might (or might not) be a tactic to flush out the GA since he/she would be the only one to know that the wolf was lying. Well, unless they were really unlucky and had protected that wolf. And it might bolster that wolf’s standing as an townperson. Sheesh, overthink much? This game entices even non-players to bone up on their Machiavelli. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/299 "2007-03-15T19:45:35Z")
two lurker comments: 1. Unfortunate out-of-turn posts are a fact of life in messageboard werewolf (at least in the three games I’ve been in or run), at least until everyone involved has got into a habit of previewing multiple times and slowing their ass down. I hope no one gets bent out of sorts by it, although on the other thread it appears that some are. 2. I have got to get in the next game(s)…maybe it’d be easier on **Rev** to run two smaller games rather than one larger one? Or appoint a subsidiary GM? ETA authority to speak on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/300 "2007-03-15T19:49:37Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] True enough, but I’m begging ignorance on this one. [/QUOTE] I’ll buy that. No hard feelings here. I’ve myself blurted out more than I meant to on this thread in similar bursts of excitement. But, well, it mattered, and it does taint your victory. And as you’ve seen some of us are rather peeved about it. It’s like a bad ref call in sports. Did it really make a difference? Impossible to tell, really. But it gives the losers something to whine about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975.md?page=16)