# Ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975 "2007-02-13T03:44:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/121 "2007-03-08T16:30:32Z")
> [@Winston Smith](#): > > Hi everyone. I got decapitated today. You sure did. Boy was that lame! Your role claim convinced even me that you were a werewolf. Still, what else could you do (apart from “anything else”), really? Never mind. The crazed lynch-mob mentality’s half the fun, for those of us in the peanut gallery. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/122 "2007-03-08T16:39:48Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Welcome **Winston**. So the groupies want to know… What was up with the role claim? I suppose I should lay claim to a spot in the next game too, if still possible. email is in my profile. [/QUOTE] I was just trying to save my arse. Seriously. It seemed like a good idea at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/123 "2007-03-08T16:58:08Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] I was just trying to save my arse. Seriously. It seemed like a good idea at the time. [/QUOTE] Sure, but why that role claim? That is what I don’t get. Unless you were worried about the werewolves if you claimed to be seer? ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/124 "2007-03-08T17:03:21Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Sure, but why that role claim? That is what I don’t get. Unless you were worried about the werewolves if you claimed to be seer? [/QUOTE] I don’t know. I’ve never played before, and I didn’t really have the time or ambition to go to some of the game sites and study strategy. The whole role claim thing was something I concocted in all of about 30 seconds as a last-ditch effort to save my skin. I hope I was right about OAOW, though. In retrospect, I’m not sorry I did it. It’s just a game, after all, and I think my bizarre exit might enhance the game for the remaining players. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/125 "2007-03-08T17:07:26Z")
It made it entertaining that is for sure. I have never played the game before either, and I was just trying to understand why you would do such a thing, and what makes you think OAOW is not a mason, since no other mason has said he wasn’t. I suppose you don’t really know either :). No worries, just trying to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_Lurker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/126 "2007-03-08T17:09:46Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Sure, but why that role claim? That is what I don’t get. Unless you were worried about the werewolves if you claimed to be seer? [/QUOTE] Too much time in the tavern. I’d think a townsperson who is believed to be a seer can only do damage to the town (either confusing the town with false insight, revealing the real seer, or needlessly using up the guardian angel’s time). [QUOTE=Winston Smith] I think my bizarre exit might enhance the game for the remaining players. [/Quote] Before your claim, I wouldn’t have expected any role claim from someone other than the person in that role, or a werewolf. Based on the unanimity of your lynching, I’m guessing most of the town had similar expectations. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/127 "2007-03-08T17:35:33Z")
I have been following the Werewolf game with a lot of interest, and \*\*Winston \*\* had me completely convinced on the second to last page that **jsgoddess** is a werewolf, and her post afterwards voting for him sealed the deal. Then came the bizarro Mason claim and the sudden surprise vote against OAOW and I was confused all over again. I still think he was right about **jsgoddess** though. ---
**Author:** ![wayward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wayward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wayward)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/128 "2007-03-08T18:12:03Z")
Well that was entertaining. **Winston** , if I may - I think you’re biggest mistake wasn’t the role claim (though that sealed the deal) but your repeated matter-of-fact statement that you were a villager and similarly matter-of-fact accusations. It was all just too cocky, too confident for a real villager to be saying. Great game though, I’m up for the next round if it isn’t too full already. And hey, now at least I know what not to do. :smack: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/129 "2007-03-08T18:15:06Z")
[QUOTE=wayward] Well that was entertaining. **Winston** , if I may - I think you’re biggest mistake wasn’t the role claim (though that sealed the deal) but your repeated matter-of-fact statement that you were a villager and similarly matter-of-fact accusations. It was all just too cocky, too confident for a real villager to be saying. Great game though, I’m up for the next round if it isn’t too full already. And hey, now at least I know what not to do. :smack: 😃 [/QUOTE] Well, you know, we aims to please. I agree that my game play could have used a bit more strategery. Maybe next time. FWIW, I thouroughly enjoyed playing, and I hope to play again some time. Yes, maybe my purpose is only to serve as an example to others. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/130 "2007-03-08T18:33:07Z")
OK, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that engineerd and jsgoddess are werewolves. I will be happy to elaborate if anyone is interested, but I hesitate to do so openly in case any of the players are dipping into this thread. And SHAME if you are!! ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/131 "2007-03-08T18:35:39Z")
Well I say elaborate, as its not like the spoiler boxes are that secret or anything. Any person who is playing the game, and in this thread is already cheating. I would like to think that most people are more honourable then that. Particularly when there is no money involved. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/132 "2007-03-08T18:55:36Z")
Well, OK. I think **Engineerd** is a wolf based on 2 things. 1. His was the 5th vote for **Miller** on day 2. This was after the announcement that being the 3rd vote was a wolf tell, so I think he waited until the bandwagon was forming and got on at that point to give it the final push 2. After **Monocchio** was lynched, **Engineerd** asked if another wolf would be promoted to Alpha Wolf. Now why would a townie need to know that? I’m not as sure about **jsgoddess** , but **Winston Smith** ’s posting kind of sums up my suspicions about her: > [@](#): > > And this isn’t just a defensive vote because somebody’s gotta swing - I’m even more suspicious of js than Mad. Like I said a few posts ago, I’ve had jsgoddess’ number since day one and I think she’s been subtly trying to generate suspicion of me ever since. Yeah, Mad, I’ve still got my eye on you, but jsgoddess is a wolf. I’m certain of it. You call my actions suspect? I’d say your posting strategy is pretty sly, jsgoddess - you continually post your suspicions of me, yet you’re not voting for me? The only reason I can think of is that you know I’m a townie, you want me dead, but you don’t want to dirty your hands doing it. You’re looking for plausible deniability once the townies string me up and realize I’m a good guy. > > You’ll say "Well, yeah, I was suspicious, but I didn’t vote for him. Nothing to see here folks. Move along. And yet. All the while, you’ve been steering suspicion my way. If I’m looking for a clever strategy in this game (and I am), I think I’ve found one. > > Folks, don’t be fooled by jsgoddess’ nefarious hatchings here. Look back at her posts, and pay careful attention to what I’ve said here regarding the content of her comments and the casting of her votes, and how those things correspond but don’t intersect - cause she didn’t actually vote for me last time. Dirty, dirty, dirty. > Last edited by Winston Smith : Yesterday at 09:57 AM. She also went along with the crowd by voicing suspicions about **Rubystreak** after the bandwagon was rolling, but didn’t actually vote for her. Protecting a fellow butt-sniffer by not voting, but making herself look good by pointing the FOS, perhaps? She was, however, the third person to vote for **Monocchio** , which gives me pause. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/133 "2007-03-08T19:08:14Z")
Holy christ, this is the best game ever. I wanna play sooooo bad now. **Winston** , **Winston** , **Winston**. Jeez. You just know the other werewolves were thinking “free ride.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/134 "2007-03-08T19:08:58Z")
[QUOTE=Smitty] 2) After **Monocchio** was lynched, **Engineerd** asked if another wolf would be promoted to Alpha Wolf. Now why would a townie need to know that? [/QUOTE] The Alpha Wolf is the only one immune to the Seer’s power. If the Seer investigates the Alpha Wolf, he’ll read as a townie. It’s helpful for the town to know that, now that **Menocchio** is dead, the Seer’s predictions are 100% reliable. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/135 "2007-03-08T19:21:24Z")
[QUOTE=Smitty] Well, OK. I think **Engineerd** is a wolf based on 2 things. 1. His was the 5th vote for **Miller** on day 2. This was after the announcement that being the 3rd vote was a wolf tell, so I think he waited until the bandwagon was forming and got on at that point to give it the final push 2. After **Monocchio** was lynched, **Engineerd** asked if another wolf would be promoted to Alpha Wolf. Now why would a townie need to know that? [/quote] I disagree on the **Engineerd** thing. I have **Engineerd** on my list of 4 possible masons. And of the 4 he is the least suspicious to my mind. **Engineed** , **Hocow** , **Kat** , and **CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** are the only players who have never voted for or been voted for by **OAOW**. Everyone else in the game can be ruled out as a mason by the voting patterns or death. Personally I thing **hocow** and **DarksideCookies** are suspicious as all get out, so in my mind \*\*Engineerd \*\* and \*\*Kat \*\* are the masons, until proven otherwise. As for **JSgoddess** , she may be wolfish she may be not, but I thingk there are better folks to go after first. (this is WAY better than TV) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/136 "2007-03-08T19:21:54Z")
To be honest, I was considering asking the same question about the Alpha Wolf, but didn’t because I thought it would sound suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_Lurker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/137 "2007-03-08T19:21:56Z")
[QUOTE=Smitty] 2) After **Monocchio** was lynched, **Engineerd** asked if another wolf would be promoted to Alpha Wolf. Now why would a townie need to know that? [/QUOTE] This gets the opposite reaction from me. Presumably the wolves would be told in the wolf forum who the new alpha wolf was, if any. As **Miller** posted above, there’s a valid reason for the town/seer to want to know that information. ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/138 "2007-03-08T19:48:27Z")
[QUOTE=Long Time Lurker] This gets the opposite reaction from me. Presumably the wolves would be told in the wolf forum who the new alpha wolf was, if any. As **Miller** posted above, there’s a valid reason for the town/seer to want to know that information. [/QUOTE] There’s a valid reason for the seer, not an average townie. The seer isn’t going to just reveal himself, and that information does not benefit anyone else. Maybe it was just asked from random curiosity, but it made me wonder. Also, he WAS the one who started the **Winston Smith** bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_Lurker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/139 "2007-03-08T20:21:22Z")
[QUOTE=Smitty] There’s a valid reason for the seer, not an average townie. [/QUOTE] But the town will be voting based on the seer’s gathered information. If I am a townie and I know who the seer is (because the seer was killed), or I suspect I know who the seer was (because I’m good at spotting hints), and the seer implied or outright stated that **Player A** is a townie, then it’s helpful to know if that’s 100% true (no newly appointed alpha wolf) or 95% true (a newly appointed alpha wolf). ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975/140 "2007-03-08T21:19:34Z")
…and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** just dropped off the list of possible masons, with post #990. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ifyouareplayingwerewolfdonotenter/391975.md?page=8)