# Ignorance loses a round, stunning observers (Debunkbot) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ai\ **Created:** [September 13, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194 "2024-09-13T04:22:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/21 "2024-09-14T17:21:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There’s a very simple reason why **police don’t do this**. They don’t rely on secret agents provacateur to start violence, because they just openly do it themselves. My emphasis. So, I shared my experience with the bot because it was interesting to me, and relevant to the thread. I consider my belief to be more CT adjacent than full CT, in part **because there are certainly instances of it happening.** This was not an invitation for people to criticize my belief or try to show me the error of my ways, or whatever this is. Two people have now responded to tell me that police don’t do this–presumably in the mistaken belief that it needed to be debunked–when that is false. I wasn’t kidding when I said this is probably a good example of why people are more willing to change their position with the bot. The bot didn’t start by assuming I believe the dumbest version of what I posted. It acknowledged the true aspects, and how what I’d personally seen and experienced fit into that. It even posted what happened with specific instances. And it paid attention to what I actually posted, and responded to that, rather than posting patronizing responses that ignore how I previously responded to someone who said the exact same thing. If anyone is interested in more details about how the bot interacted with me, please ask. I’d be happy to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/22 "2024-09-14T23:47:53Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > If anyone is interested in more details about how the bot interacted with me, please ask. I’d be happy to answer. A transcript would be interesting. If you’re game, you could repeat the exercise. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/23 "2024-09-14T23:55:36Z")
Actually, according to the Bigfoot aficionados it’s _Bigfoots_. I asked. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/24 "2024-09-15T00:12:25Z")
You can’t rely on those people, they believe in Bigfoot! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/25 "2024-09-15T00:28:01Z")
I just discussed my belief in the conspiracy theory that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself. To be fair, I put my confidence at about 55%, basically I wouldn’t be surprised if he was murdered. None of the bot’s arguments were that persuasive and I still wouldn’t be surprised if he was murdered. It’s the only CT I kind of believe and I don’t really care. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/26 "2024-09-15T01:17:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > but it glitched out after its first comment and gave me an “Error with streaming request 400” message that’s deep state right there - don’t you see it!!! ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/27 "2024-09-15T01:28:18Z")
Nothing happens when I click on the “continue” button. I guess it knows I don’t need to have any of my beliefs debunked, because everything I know is true. 😃 Seriously, it’s frustrating that it doesn’t work. I’m very curious. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/28 "2024-09-15T03:27:25Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I just discussed my belief in the conspiracy theory that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself. To be fair, I put my confidence at about 55%, basically I wouldn’t be surprised if he was murdered. None of the bot’s arguments were that persuasive and I still wouldn’t be surprised if he was murdered. I did the same one and similarly my needle was not moved by the bot. It even started to contradict itself. For example, arguing that the prison was understaffed and that explains why the guards missed checkpoints but also that in the conspiracy too many guards would have had to bribed to be feasible. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/29 "2024-09-15T11:11:42Z")
At the end, it asked my opinion of AI and the bot, I said that if it can be used to convince people of the truth, then it can be used to convince people of falsehoods and whatever you think you are accomplishing, your product will be used to create more bullshit in a world already choking on it. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/30 "2024-09-15T16:25:17Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > It even started to contradict itself. For example, arguing that the prison was understaffed and that explains why the guards missed checkpoints but also that in the conspiracy too many guards would have had to bribed to be feasible But that’s not a contradiction. The prison is understaffed, meaning they needed, say, two more guards per shift. In order to pull this off, you might need to bribe 10 guards, which is too many; fully staffed, it might mean more need bribes, but 10 is still too many. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/31 "2024-09-15T16:43:58Z")
The argument the bot was making included having to bribe the guard managers as well as the administration of the prison. It was pretty out there. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/32 "2024-09-15T16:54:07Z")
As an experiment, here’s the conspiracy theory I told it I believe: > [@](#): > > I believe that a group of Arabic terrorists, led by Osama bin Laden, conspired to take control of four airliners on September 11, 2001, and used them as manned missiles to attack the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and attempted to use them to attack the White House. Followed by reasons why I believe this (it’s annoying that the bot’s form doesn’t allow copying text; I don’t want to retype all of it). The bot passed the test: > [@](#): > > The AI determined that your statement did not, in fact, describe a conspiracy theory. Would you like to continue to the conversation, or try another version of the experiment that involves discussing a different topic? I continued the conversation, and it pointed out that some of the lines of evidence I provided were weak, and provided additional details strengthening those lines of evidence. Also a good performance. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194/33 "2024-09-16T23:54:56Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > A transcript would be interesting. If you’re game, you could repeat the exercise. I don’t really want to go through the exercise again. And, apparently my data was kind of an outlier, so I don’t want to give them duplicate data. Anyone can do it though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorance-loses-a-round-stunning-observers-debunkbot/1007194.md?page=1)