# Ignorant Bigots Raise Racist Flag Yet Again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644 "2016-07-11T12:05:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/101 "2016-07-15T03:56:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s pretty ironic. > > And why don’t you pit something truly evil like whatever inspired the mass murderer in Nice? You are truly a troll, a moron, an idiot, a fool, and just an all-around jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/102 "2016-07-15T03:58:15Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@octopus](#): > > > > That’s pretty ironic. > > > > And why don’t you pit something truly evil like whatever inspired the mass murderer in Nice? > > Are you in the wrong thread? This thread is about inbreds. That would mean octopus is in the correct thread, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/103 "2016-07-15T04:08:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You are truly a troll, a moron, an idiot, a fool, and just an all-around jackass. Sweet, simple Monty, please point on the doll where that mean flag touched you. It’s funny how you are outraged by a flag but real problems aren’t pit worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/104 "2016-07-15T04:12:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What rule/law/regulation “outside United States waters” prohibits merely flying the so-called “Jolly Roger”? AFAIK, piracy is determined by actions, not by displaying what is essentially a memento. Somehow I have a hard time imagining anyone intends to open fire upon the [USS _Harry S. Truman_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-103) in international waters citing ‘intention to commit piracy’. > [@](#): > > Three distinct U.S. Naval Aviation squadrons have used the name and insignia of the Jolly Roger: VF-61 (originally VF-17), VF-84 (1955-95), and VFA-103. While these are distinctly different squadrons that have no lineal linkage, they all share the same Jolly Roger name, the skull and crossbones insignia and traditions.[1] After disestablishment of VF-84 in 1995, the Jolly Rogers name and insignia were adopted by VF-103, which later became VFA-103, the subject of this article. There has been only one squadron designated VF-103.[2] ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/105 "2016-07-15T04:23:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sweet, simple Monty, please point on the doll where that mean flag touched you. It’s funny how you are outraged by a flag but real problems aren’t pit worthy. Hey, jackass; why didn’t you happen to pit the killer in Nice before he killed those people? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/106 "2016-07-15T04:37:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sweet, simple Monty, please point on the doll where that mean flag touched you. It’s funny how you are outraged by a flag but real problems aren’t pit worthy. And to think I used to think you were a decent person that I had misjudged. Look, moron. He didn’t pit the guy in Nice because that hadn’t happened yet. But he did actually pit the thing that inspired him: racism. The guy in Nice killed people because they were different than him. That you would fail to get that I could understand. But then to belittle victims of child abuse in your attempt to attack the guy who rightfully called you out? I’m done seeing your filth. Goodbye. May whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul. You will need it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/107 "2016-07-15T05:31:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hey, jackass; why didn’t you happen to pit the killer in Nice before he killed those people? I just find it amusing you defend the flying of the Jolly Rodger as a memento yet every display of The Confederate Flag riles you up. > [@BigT](#): > > And to think I used to think you were a decent person that I had misjudged. > > Look, moron. He didn’t pit the guy in Nice because that hadn’t happened yet. But he did actually pit the thing that inspired him: racism. The guy in Nice killed people because they were different than him. > > That you would fail to get that I could understand. But then to belittle victims of child abuse in your attempt to attack the guy who rightfully called you out? > > I’m done seeing your filth. Goodbye. May whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul. You will need it. It’s the pit. You might not have noticed but the deranged sort that frequent it aren’t known for sensitivity. And what does God have to do with any of this? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/108 "2016-07-15T06:20:50Z")
"It’s like a traffic jam when you’re already late Cause black lives matter blocked the interstate Its like 10,000 sticks when all you need is a match to light the burning cross in your black neighbor’s garden patch." > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **octopus** > That’s pretty ironic. Don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/109 "2016-07-15T08:11:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I just find it amusing you defend the flying of the Jolly Rodger as a memento yet every display of The Confederate Flag riles you up. Of course that’s not what you said earlier as to why you’re complaining, so we’ll just continue to consider your honesty a tad lacking. The jolly roger isn’t an actual flag used by racists to defend and glorify racism, so your so-called point, like you, is a failure. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/110 "2016-07-15T19:56:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The guy in Nice killed people because they were different than him. Oh, they finished the investigation then. Could you please link to it. I’d like to read it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/111 "2016-07-15T20:48:09Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You are truly a troll, a moron, an idiot, a fool, and just an all-around jackass. It’s taken this long for you to realize that? The rest of us caught on quite a while back. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/112 "2016-07-15T20:54:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s taken this long for you to realize that? The rest of us caught on quite a while back. Not striving to be a hive minded, wanna be psychic, holier than thou dickhead is neither moronic nor trolling. Thinking the leftists on this board are capable of nuanced thought might be the former adjective. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/113 "2016-07-15T21:19:49Z")
[Steve King says the Confederate flag on his desk is there because slavery was just a “small part” of the Civil War.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rep-steve-king-defends-confederate-flag-desk-slavery-just-small-part-civil-war) Of course, he also says that \*nobody \*was ever complaining about the Confederate flag till about a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/114 "2016-07-15T21:33:14Z")
Wait a minute…where’s he getting his conservative talking points from? I thought the line was that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War?? Something about blah blah state’s rights, northern aggression, something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/115 "2016-07-15T22:47:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I just find it amusing you defend the flying of the Jolly Rodger as a memento yet every display of The Confederate Flag riles you up. I’ll don’t know about **Monty** , but I’ll defend the flying of the Jolly Roger. RAISE IT BITCHES!!! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/116 "2016-07-16T03:11:49Z")
FTR, I sail under the Jolly Roger because, **away from here** , I’m a troll. And because, before Betsy Ross, it was as close to a national flag we had. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/117 "2016-07-16T04:34:35Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > And because, before Betsy Ross, it was as close to a national flag we had. No, we had the 1775 Continental Congress Flag (now called the [Grand Union flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grand_Union_Flag.svg)) before that. That was basically the Stars & Stripes design, but without the stars – the British Union jack design was in the upper left corner canton where the blue field with white stars are now. (Quite similar to the designs of the flags of a [couple dozen British Commonwealth countries](http://www.photius.com/flags/british_related.html).) It was eventually replaced by the so-called “Betsy Ross flag” because it was too similar to the British flag. The story goes that one of the first times it was raised by US forces, the British officers who saw it thought that it’s close resemblance meant that the colonial rebels were indicating their willingness to remain as part of the British empire (i.e., surrendering). So it was replaced by a new design. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/118 "2016-07-16T10:24:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Wait a minute…where’s he getting his conservative talking points from? I thought the line was that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War?? Something about blah blah state’s rights, northern aggression, something like that. Tariffs! You forgot the tariffs! Now’s a good time to refer to David Barton, that pseudo-historian who was called in to “consult” on Texas history texts. In the Blind Pig Finds Acorn Department, let’s see [what he actually wrote](http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=92): > [@](#): > > A third example of historical revisionism involves the claim that the 1860-1861 secession of the Southern States which caused the Civil War was not a result of the slavery issue but rather of oppressive federal economic policies. For example, a plaque in the Texas State Capitol declares: > > > [@](#): > > > > Because we desire to perpetuate, in love and honor, the heroic deeds of those who enlisted in the Confederate Army and upheld its flag through four years of war, we, the children of the South, have united together in an organization called “Children of the Confederacy,” in which our strength, enthusiasm, and love of justice can exert its influence. We therefore pledge ourselves to preserve pure ideals; to honor our veterans; to study and teach the truths of history (_one of the most important of which is that the war between the states was not a rebellion nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery_), and to always act in a manner that will reflect honor upon our noble and patriotic ancestors. (emphasis added) > > Other sources make the same false claim, but four notable categories of Confederate records disprove these claims and indisputably show that the South’s desire to preserve slavery was indisputably the driving reason for the formation of the Confederacy. Then he cited the actual historical documents proving his point–and probably used “indisputably” a few more times. The State Board of Education ignored him & recommended teaching that the Causes of Secession were States Rights, Tariffs & That Other Thing. Hey, if we can waste time talking about the Jolly Roger, why not this? Yes, the Battle Flag was revived as an anti-Integration emblem; it stands for racism. (Most Texas commemorations of [Our Six Flags](http://www.panoramio.com/photo/64698504) use the actual Confederate Flag. Of course, most _contemporary_ Six Flags images involve roller coasters.) But Secession is a dead cause (no matter what anyone claims) & the Old Confederates have no power. Of course they don’t want to admit that their ancestors tried to destroy the Union (1) to protect their right to own human beings or (2) to protect the rich Southerners’ right to own human beings. They lost. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/119 "2016-07-16T23:10:55Z")
“For example, a plaque in the Texas State Capitol declares: 'Because we desire to perpetuate, in love and honor, the heroic deeds of those who enlisted in the Confederate Army and upheld its flag through four years of war . . . '” April 12, 1861 – May 9, 1865 – **four years?** ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644/120 "2016-07-18T14:51:30Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > April 12, 1861 – May 9, 1865 – **four years?** 😕Sure sounds like four years (plus) to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-bigots-raise-racist-flag-yet-again/759644.md?page=7)