# Ignorant racist motherfuckers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2002, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517 "2002-12-13T15:47:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![TheRochester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@TheRochester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheRochester)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/203 "2002-12-15T19:58:27Z")
Actually, that sorta offends me. I don’t want to be called white, I prefer the term European-American. ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/204 "2002-12-15T20:13:51Z")
Pigmentationally challenged, if you please. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/205 "2002-12-15T20:13:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > **Tarpal can do whatever the hell he wants; with (terrible) government supported policies like affirmative action and quotas around, I don’t know what’s wrong or right any more.** So wait a minute, you claim not to be a racist, while claiming affermitive action is “terrible” and the very bullshit that AA was designed to remeby is just “business as usual, it’s no big deal.” What kind of fucking idiot are you? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/206 "2002-12-15T20:18:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ultress \* > **I am very very sorry and I hate to be the one that posts this but you guys really need to get your head out of the sand. The attitude that tarpal shows is very common.** I don’t think anyone was contesting that the attitude isn’t common, and such practices don’t frequently occur in HR departments. The observation was just that **tarpal** is probably lying about having such a job himself. No one who actually had such a job would put it and his company in such jeopardy by admitting to such racism in hiring, even on a supposedly anonymous message board. > [@](#): > > **That application is the first impression and people that don’t write well, leave blanks, and all the issues discussed above are looked at from the beginning and judged before someone ever gets an interview.** Depending on the job, writing poorly and leaving blanks on certain questions could be legitimate reasons to ding an application. The applicant’s name of course is not. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/207 "2002-12-15T20:37:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Tarpal can do whatever the hell he wants; with (terrible) government supported policies like affirmative action and quotas around, I don’t know what’s wrong or right any more. So if I come across your application and see “white person” under your name, you won’t be offended if I toss it in the trash. I can just do whatever the hell I want, right? Everyone has perfectly good reasons for discriminating, right? > [@](#): > > By saying “What’s up with black names?” I didn’t mean to offend anyone, and if you were, well you have some issues. I wasn’t offended by the thread, even though it’s ANNOYING AS HELL in some places. I was offended by one poster. And you’re starting to offend me too. As the author of that thread, it seems like you should care that your thread was hijacked by a loser like **tarpal**. Instead, you’re apologizing for him. So if **tarpal** is a loser, what does that make you? > [@](#): > > Someone could have very well made a post saying “copying European names is stupid and boring” and I wouldn’t give two shits. I don’t think you’re regular. You may become less full of it by adding fiber to your diet. > [@](#): > > There is a gap between black and white culture, and if you don’t think blacks act in a similar manner toward white culture, you are mistaken. But the difference is that black people aren’t posting threads about the weirdness of white culture on the SDMB. Maybe someone should, just to keep things symmetrical. Or maybe people need to find other questions to ask. Certainly “black” naming has run its course as a GQ topic. ---
**Author:** ![Splanky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@Splanky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Splanky)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/208 "2002-12-15T21:01:24Z")
> [@](#): > > The post was insulting and being laughed at over something you had no control over in the first place is equally insulting. There is something wrong with that juvenile behavior-don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to singling you out. I have large ears. I was teased when I was a kid for having them. I had no control over their irregularly large size. I lived with it, I knew it was unusual to some and I accepted it. I knew that the people who commented on my ears weren’t bad people, they were simply not used to them. > [@](#): > > You are saying, in effect, that if I make fun of your name, and you have a problem with it, it’s your own fault? That’s lunacy. Yes, I am. In this great country, people can say whatever the hell they want. Being a mature person, if my name was being teased, I would shrug it off. I would tell myself to stay strong and not to let it get to me. > [@](#): > > So wait a minute, you claim not to be a racist, while claiming affermitive action is “terrible” and the very bullshit that AA was designed to remeby is just “business as usual, it’s no big deal.” > What kind of fucking idiot are you? If being angry that people with less qualifications will get a job over me constitutes being racist, then yes I’m a racist. This discussion is for another time, though. I was simply trying to say that the government has policy which I think isn’t fair for people like me, and tarpal’s policy is unfair to people with unfamiliar names. I find both policies wrong, they are totally unfair to the negatively affected parties. > [@](#): > > I wasn’t offended by the thread, even though it’s ANNOYING AS HELL in some places. I was offended by one poster. And you’re starting to offend me too. As the author of that thread, it seems like you should care that your thread was hijacked by a loser like tarpal. Instead, you’re apologizing for him. So if tarpal is a loser, what does that make you? That was more directed to someone who earlier said it would’ve been appropriate to say “What are the origins of black names” and “What’s up with black names” was disgusting. Corrections like that really piss me off. Don’t tell me how to post, as if I mentioned blacks in some sort of informal way, therefore making me racist. I don’t appreciate tarpal’s comments at all, after all, it was a GQ thread, not an IMHO. I can’t justify his actions or comments. > [@](#): > > But the difference is that black people aren’t posting threads about the weirdness of white culture on the SDMB. Maybe someone should, just to keep things symmetrical. Or maybe people need to find other questions to ask. Certainly “black” naming has run its course as a GQ topic. Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/209 "2002-12-15T21:11:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > **If being angry that people with less qualifications will get a job over me constitutes being racist, then yes I’m a racist. This discussion is for another time, though. I was simply trying to say that the government has policy which I think isn’t fair for people like me, and tarpal’s policy is unfair to people with unfamiliar names. I find both policies wrong, they are totally unfair to the negatively affected parties.** I kind of doubt it would be possible to find someone less qualified than you for _any_ position, regardless of their race. That line is always spouted by ignorant fucking racists, but it has **absolutely nothing** to do with afermative action in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/210 "2002-12-15T21:22:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **Splanky** \* > Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. You didn’t let that brain fart ripe for too long, huh? :rolleyes: So, if there aren’t that many rascit pigs (yes, they come in all hues of the Pantone Chart) preaching against the “evil white” it just means that there aren’t many blacks on this board. I don’t recall having had to answer any question on my skin colour when I registered. What makes you think there aren’t that many blacks? Why can’t we just be presumed civil enough not to do to others what sometimes black suffer themselves? Come out dude, you can barely wait to show your true colours. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/211 "2002-12-15T21:46:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. Cite please? Actually, nevermind. Since we all know the vast majority of people on this board are intelligent and articulate, and we all know that black people aren’t usually either (I mean, just _look_ at their names!), there can’t _possibly_ be that many black Dopers, ipso facto. Or something. Chump. ---
**Author:** ![l1I235](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@l1I235](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/l1I235)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/212 "2002-12-15T21:48:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > \*\* > Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. \*\* The fight against ignorance is starting to seem futile. Thank you for that sweeping generalization. We’re all enlightened. You may go now. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/213 "2002-12-15T22:27:11Z")
> [@](#): > > From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. As a black person living in a society where I’m the minority, I know much more about “white” culture than you do about “black” culture. So much so that I don’t need to post a thread about why white people do so-and-so. I’ve been taught that whatever white people do is normal and whatever people like me do is strange. Black people don’t have normal-sized lips. We have big lips. We don’t have normal names. We have bizarre, stupid, _lazy_ names. We don’t talk standard English. We speak deviant English. We don’t have regular fads. No, our fads are deviant and are always based on “gangs”. We aren’t people. We’re black people. I don’t need to be lectured to about what black people know and don’t know by someone who thinks blacks fall nicely into two categories: From [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2711321#post2711321](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2711321#post2711321) : > [@](#): > > …he said it was the clash between upscale, smart, suburban blacks and the less smart, affirmitive action, “ghetto” blacks. (And just so you know–just in case you find yourself in an AA rant thread–the"upscale" blacks are the ones who benefit more from AA than those “ghetto” blacks.) > [@](#): > > If being angry that people with less qualifications will get a job over me constitutes being racist, then yes I’m a racist. You’re still in high school, right? The only qualification you probably have is whether or not you know the difference between the deep-fat fryer and the cash register. When you’ve been turned down for a job at McDonald’s because they have too many white guys, come find me and we’ll have a rally at the White House. Until then your rant against affirmative action is no different from the ranting of any other whiny brat with no independently-derived ideas or opinions. Neither is very impressive. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/214 "2002-12-15T22:59:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > \*\* > Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. \*\* With respect to relative numbers you may well be correct, but so what? Many (certainly not all) black people are just in the initial process of becoming technology “haves” so this differential is not all that surprising and will likely become less in time. With respect to the issue of “white culture” what exactly is “white culture”? I’m a white male professional educated in Bethesda, MD and the the child of professionals from way down south. Is “white culture” _my_ culture or is it the “down home” countrified culture of NASCAR and CMT and Longaberger baskets, or the cut throat, gogo NY Wall street culture or the small town main street Mayberryesque culture of my father’s youth, or maybe it’s poor white trailer trash culture or Boston Southie culture or Texas culture or laid back L.A. culture … what is white culture? And for that matter what is black culture? Is is the culture of Carl our smartass, ace data services guy who helps me with NT network questions and drives a Porsche, or is the culture of Rene the deeply religious man who cleans our offices and drives a Chevy van and helps me with industrial cleanouts and is sending his sons through college, or is the culture of Dr. Zant the neurological surgeon whose office staff keeps telling me he’s out when I’m trying to sell him some property for a new office site [sub](but I know he’s in)[/sub], which black culture are we talking about? ---
**Author:** ![SpasticKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@SpasticKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpasticKitty)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/215 "2002-12-15T23:02:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TheRochester \* > \*\*[White like me](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2002/01/30/life_of_reilly/) \*\* I read that article a few months ago in Sports Illustrated. I always enjoy reading Rick Reilly, and I thought he made some very good points about double standards regarding rascism. Though I definitely do not agree with **tarpal**'s practice of throwing out job applications simply based on name, I do agree with **TheRochester** that America has some double standards. Of course it’s wrong for white people to be racist and make mean comments about other races, but when black people make mean comments about “white guys”, it’s acceptable? That’s bullshit. Racism is wrong, period, no matter who is the one being racist. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/216 "2002-12-16T00:03:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > **I have large ears. I was teased when I was a kid for having them. I had no control over their irregularly large size. I lived with it, I knew it was unusual to some and I accepted it. I knew that the people who commented on my ears weren’t bad people, they were simply not used to them.** Two things: One: So you are comfortable being made fun of, doesn’t mean anyone else \*\*has \*\* to be. Two: Are you actually agreeing with them poking fun at you? I never said that making fun of someone is equal to being a bad person. I’m taking issue with the act, not the actor. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > Yes, I am. In this great country, people can say whatever the hell they want. Being a mature person, if my name was being teased, I would shrug it off. I would tell myself to stay strong and not to let it get to me. \*\* I totally agree with freedom of speech. Say whatever you want, I’m not going to stop you. I also have this freedom, and I will tell you when I think you are abusing yours. You say you would shrug it off, but this isn’t the argument. You being a “mature” person are doing a decidedly immature thing by insulting peoples names. Your approach to this whole thing is that everyone should develop thicker skin. How about you develop some basic understanding of what you are saying, and how it can effect people. You are judging people based on something they have absolutely no control over…How does that make you mature? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Splanky \* > If being angry that people with less qualifications will get a job over me constitutes being racist, then yes I’m a racist. This discussion is for another time, though. I was simply trying to say that the government has policy which I think isn’t fair for people like me, and tarpal’s policy is unfair to people with unfamiliar names. I find both policies wrong, they are totally unfair to the negatively affected parties._\* I agree, it’s a discussion for another time, but I did want to say if that’s all that you think affirmative action is, then you are mistaken. Also, you are trying to play the victim, when you are the attacker. You brought up names, and AA, you brought up the latter in order to have an arena you could defend. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Splanky \* > That was more directed to someone who earlier said it would’ve been appropriate to say “What are the origins of black names” and “What’s up with black names” was disgusting. Corrections like that really piss me off. Don’t tell me how to post, as if I mentioned blacks in some sort of informal way, therefore making me racist. I don’t appreciate tarpal’s comments at all, after all, it was a GQ thread, not an IMHO. I can’t justify his actions or comments._\* Don’t tell you how to post? Go ahead stick your foot down your throat. You mentioned “blacks” in an offensive way, not informal. What were asking, you were asking what is up with black names, the implication is that there is something wrong with black names. Whether you ment it that way or not, that’s how you’ve come off. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Splanky \* > Yes, maybe because there aren’t many blacks on this board. From personal experiences, I’ve noticed many blacks are very ignorant and intolerant to white culture. And much worse than people questioning and teasing the origins of African American names. \*\* 1. You don’t know how many “blacks” are on this board. Also, your “personal” experience doesn’t give you the right to be bias, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![MrMyth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@MrMyth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMyth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/217 "2002-12-16T01:59:38Z")
He doesn’t know how many blacks are on this board because that crap is a thinly veiled attempt to get some kind of role call. Then he can say that the board is bias because it’s majority black or some shit, or either harass the posters who identify themselves as black. Nevertheless, I won’t judge the entire white race for the crap that you do, **Splanky**. But again, I call on you and others of your idealogy to have some balls. Come on out and say what you really mean. Go ahead and spout your crap. I dare you. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/218 "2002-12-16T03:22:28Z")
I made a thread in IMHO for all those who feel like coming out of [the black closet.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150633) ---
**Author:** ![Raymond\_Luxury\_Yacht](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raymond_luxury_yacht/32/4099_2.png) [@Raymond\_Luxury\_Yacht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raymond_Luxury_Yacht)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/219 "2002-12-16T03:48:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by black455 \* > \*\*Cite please? > > Actually, nevermind. Since we all know the vast majority of people on this board are intelligent and articulate, and we all know that black people aren’t usually either (I mean, just _look_ at their names!), there can’t _possibly_ be that many black Dopers, ipso facto. Or something. > > Chump. \*\* LOL 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Raymond\_Luxury\_Yacht](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raymond_luxury_yacht/32/4099_2.png) [@Raymond\_Luxury\_Yacht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raymond_Luxury_Yacht)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/220 "2002-12-16T03:49:06Z")
I meant the put down, btw ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/221 "2002-12-16T03:57:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by you with the face \* > \*\*I made a thread in IMHO for all those who feel like coming out of [the black closet.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150633) \*\* Some may feel your inviation is condescending re the notion that black dopers are tucked away behind Cecil’s golf umbrella in the SDMB “closet”. Based on 2-3 years of empirical observation of posting styles on the SDMB I don’t think any black dopers are shy about giving a “black perspective” on the issue under consideration if the question could benefit from it, but most of the time they are just offering advice and answering and asking questions from a curious humanoid perspective. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517/222 "2002-12-16T04:16:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Some may feel your inviation is condescending re the notion that black dopers are tucked away behind Cecil’s golf umbrella in the SDMB “closet”. Based on 2-3 years of empirical observation of posting styles on the SDMB I don’t think any black dopers are shy about giving a “black perspective” on the issue under consideration if the question could benefit from it, but most of the time they are just offering advice and answering and asking questions from a curious humanoid perspective. **astro** , my use of the word “closet” is not the same as the meaning used by gay folks. The internet is one funny thing in that it keeps people from actually seeing who they converse with. If you’re black and you frequent boards like these, people will often assume you are white unless you tell them otherwise. Similarily, if you’re white and you find yourself defending positions that other people perceive to be biased towards blacks, people will quickly assume you’re black. This doesn’t usually happen in the real world. And it is this “closet” that I’m refering to, not the “I’m ashamed of being black and therefore, I want to keep mum about it on this board” closet. Sorry if you and others saw it that way, but any confusion could have been cleared up by simply clinking on the link. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ignorant-racist-motherfuckers/142517.md?page=12)