# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/462 "2019-09-07T05:52:08Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I presume that you mean the profile photo. **The one with a like on it from Omar’s husband.** As said, I did independently verify this and it is not difficult to do so. > > [https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f](https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f) :rolleyes: As pointed with the Rembrandt example, that is meaningless evidence. Again, as you miss it: you can get a **real** Rembrandt on a picture **and any armchair detective can verify it** , but it is meaningless **unless** the picture taker is willing to declare where that picture was taken and if the picture actually shows a changed status (if there is no frame and the edges look torn in the picture showing the real Rembrandt, then together with the testimony of the picture taker, that is plenty of evidence for real detectives to get a warrant). You are therefore still using worthless evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/463 "2019-09-07T05:52:10Z")
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/464 "2019-09-07T05:59:44Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Puntlands](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=158228741248162&id=140113039726399) And it seems that you will not finish until you get a picture showing that water is wet. 🙂 Showing pictures of the real Rembrandt is equally meaningless unless there is direct testimony together with the original pictures and sources pointing at the one related to the crime. Again, show us the original pictures and the testimony of the original picture takers, about the alleged brother being married to Omar, showing pictures from Facebook does not cut it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/465 "2019-09-07T06:37:05Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That’s what you call “making it go away”? Not so much. > > In any case, why would supposedly sensible people be “listening to the crazies” in the first place, if the crazies have not managed to provide any evidence in support of their allegations? That’s a perfectly fair position as regards a private citizen. But Omar is not only a public figure but a public servant, and when her mainstream hometown newspaper asks these questions, she should answer them. If she doesn’t, she creates the impression that she is hiding things and stonewalling. That’s just the way it is. There are a lot of people who will read something like that and think she seems to be acting guilty, whereas if she did answer the questions and allow her family members to be interviewed and there was “no there there”, the same Strib readers would come to the conclusion that the people still insisting on some kind of conspiracy were full of crap and should be ignored. You seem to want to stubbornly insist that it would make no difference because everyone has already made up their minds, and I think that is quite clearly wrong. You guys think this is just like birtherism and the demand for Obama to release his long form birth certificate? Then Gallup flatly disproves the notion that giving into such demands doesn’t change anything: > **[Obama's Birth Certificate Convinces Some, but Not All, Skeptics](https://news.gallup.com/poll/147530/obama-birth-certificate-convinces-not-skeptics.aspx)** > > Barack Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate appears to have removed some -- but not all -- doubt among Americans about where the president was born. More Americans now say he was definitely born in the U.S., though 13% still believe he... Right before he released his long form birth certificate, 56 percent of Americans believed he was definitely or probably born in this country, and 24 percent believed he was definitely or probably born outside the country—a spread of 32 points. Just a couple weeks later after he released it, that spread had expanded to 52 points. And if anything, that kind of comparison underestimates the impact. In reality, there were clearly a large number of people who were going to say he was born outside the country as a proxy for just hating him no matter what evidence came in. And there was also a large contingent who were going to stand by him regardless. So among the persuadables in the middle, where elections are decided, the impact was enormous—and it’s really an open question as to whether he could have beaten Romney without doing this. (It’s clear that Axelrod and Obama did not believe he could.) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/466 "2019-09-07T06:45:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And it seems that you will not finish until you get a picture showing that water is wet. 🙂 > > Showing pictures of the real Rembrandt is equally meaningless unless there is direct testimony together with the original pictures and sources pointing at the one related to the crime. > > Again, show us the original pictures and the testimony of the original picture takers, about the alleged brother being married to Omar, showing pictures from Facebook does not cut it. [https://www.instagram.com/p/Byxr1LtDWAA/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Byxr1LtDWAA/) [http://www.citypages.com/news/ilhan-omars-dads-instagram-message-will-warm-your-cold-dead-hearts/503858391](http://www.citypages.com/news/ilhan-omars-dads-instagram-message-will-warm-your-cold-dead-hearts/503858391) > **[Ilhan Omar says she's the first refugee in Congress, but forgot these Jews](https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ilhan-Omar-says-shes-the-first-refugee-in-Congress-but-forgot-these-Jews-576365)** > > Seffi Kogen, the Global Director of Young Leadership for the American Jewish Committee, counts at least four other lawmakers who in their lifetimes had refugee status, and two of them are Jewish. [https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article229362849.html](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article229362849.html) What crime and what argument do you believe I made? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/467 "2019-09-07T07:15:33Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Ilhan Omar on Instagram: "I wanted to take a moment to wish you and your family a Happy Father’s Day. I’m truly blessed to be spending father’s day with my family in Minneapolis, enjoying quality time with my dad and family. My dad is one of the most optimistic humans I know and I work to channel his energy all the time. On this Father's Day, I hope we can all channel his optimism and push ourselves to work toward progress. As my dad always says, "Your today, doesn't have to determine your tomorrow." And he is right. We must always stay hopeful and never stop organizing for a better tomorrow. My dad is my rock, he has always been there for me. He taught me resiliency, strength, and the courage to pursue my dreams. I’m thankful because my father has become an amazing grandfather to my three children, carrying the torch and cheering them on in whatever they pursue. I hope that your Father’s Day is filled with laughter and quality time with friends and family 💕💕 \*If today is a hard day for you, for whatever reason, know that I will keep you in my prayers"](https://www.instagram.com/p/Byxr1LtDWAA/) > [http://www.citypages.com/news/ilhan-omars-dads-instagram-message-will-warm-your-cold-dead-hearts/503858391](http://www.citypages.com/news/ilhan-omars-dads-instagram-message-will-warm-your-cold-dead-hearts/503858391) > [Ilhan Omar says she's the first refugee in Congress, but forgot these Jew - The Jerusalem Post](https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ilhan-Omar-says-shes-the-first-refugee-in-Congress-but-forgot-these-Jews-576365) > [https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article229362849.html](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article229362849.html) > > What crime and what argument do you believe I made? Well the crime of being stupid as you demonstrated there. 😛 Read it again for the evidence of your dumbness: nowhere I did say that that is not her father, only that you are trying to childishly point at your “powers of deduction” like demanding your candy award. So I did say that indeed: you just showed that water is wet there. And I can post more sources of Jesus at the sea of Galilee" from Rembrandt and they would be meaningless like the pictures of the father of Omar because they do not point to any crime or malfeasance, hence the point that you need to show us the original pictures and testimony from the picture takers about the issue at hand, and not a stupid distraction. If you ever bother to get to the point: to show us the original sources of the stupid accusation against Omar, together with testimony from the original picture takers with the context of the pictures I would had been impressed, but instead you decided to show that you prefer to think that others are not paying attention to your red herrings. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/468 "2019-09-07T07:26:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That’s a perfectly fair position as regards a private citizen. But Omar is not only a public figure but a public servant, and when her mainstream hometown newspaper asks these questions, she should answer them. If she doesn’t, she creates the impression that she is hiding things and stonewalling. That’s just the way it is. There are a lot of people who will read something like that and think she seems to be acting guilty, whereas if she did answer the questions and allow her family members to be interviewed and there was “no there there”, the same Strib readers would come to the conclusion that the people still insisting on some kind of conspiracy were full of crap and should be ignored. > > You seem to want to stubbornly insist that it would make no difference because everyone has already made up their minds, and I think that is quite clearly wrong. > > You guys think this is just like birtherism and the demand for Obama to release his long form birth certificate? Then Gallup flatly disproves the notion that giving into such demands doesn’t change anything: > > [Obama's Birth Certificate Convinces Some, but Not All, Skeptics](https://news.gallup.com/poll/147530/obama-birth-certificate-convinces-not-skeptics.aspx) > > Right before he released his long form birth certificate, 56 percent of Americans believed he was definitely or probably born in this country, and 24 percent believed he was definitely or probably born outside the country—a spread of 32 points. Just a couple weeks later after he released it, that spread had expanded to 52 points. > > And if anything, that kind of comparison underestimates the impact. In reality, there were clearly a large number of people who were going to say he was born outside the country as a proxy for just hating him no matter what evidence came in. And there was also a large contingent who were going to stand by him regardless. So among the persuadables in the middle, where elections are decided, the impact was enormous—and it’s really an open question as to whether he could have beaten Romney without doing this. (It’s clear that Axelrod and Obama did not believe he could.) Too bad that after all that typing, it is a very moot point, Omar won the election while that conspiracy was already in the news: > **[Minnesota House hopeful calls marriage, fraud claims 'lies'](https://apnews.com/article/cc2ccd70de56405098d2f259bf0e46c5)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minnesota Democratic candidate for Congress who is poised to become the first Somali-American elected to the U.S. > [@](#): > > **October 17, 2018** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minnesota Democratic candidate for Congress who is poised to become the first Somali-American elected to the U.S. House has denounced claims that she married her brother and committed immigration fraud as “disgusting lies,” and says allegations of campaign finance violations are politically motivated. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/469 "2019-09-07T07:26:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > nowhere I did say that that is not her father I was responding to “Nope, because they are not coming from direct evidence nor direct testimony.” I just gave you an example of the sorts of sources that I looked at. You appear to agree with me, based on those sources, that we have successfully identified Omar’s dad. Which is it? You can’t claim that I couldn’t have possibly independently verified anything at the same time as saying that yes, clearly, that’s Omar’s dad. > [@](#): > > If you ever bother to get to the point: to show us the original sources of the stupid accusation against Omar, together with testimony from the original picture takers with the context of the pictures I would had been impressed, but instead you decided to show that you prefer to think that others are not paying attention to your red herrings. I made no specific accusation against Omar and I just told you on the previous page that I didn’t use any pictures that couldn’t be independently verified. If you want someone to defend the brother marriage thing, ask SlackerInc or someone. My argument was this: > [@](#): > > Omar’s husband, Hirsi, is bisexual and polyamorous. He meets a handsome, British Somali lad online and tells Omar that he’s debating to leave her and go to England. They talk it out and decide that she’s okay with him having a boyfriend. > > The most practical way for them to all be together, they decide, is for Omar to marry Elmi. > > They bring Elmi into the US as Omar’s husband and all start to live together. They call Elmi an ‘Uncle’ to their children and he calls them his nieces. > > Pretty quickly, the family determines that this was all a bad idea and Elmi leaves to go live on his own. Eventually, he returns to England after he’s done studying at University. Omar and him are still friendly, it’s more the Hirsi/Elmi relationship that’s off. > > The social media links between Omar and Elmi, with him calling her kids “niece” and her dad (for whatever reason) going by a similar name to Elmi kicks off a brother/sister theory among the Somali community, which eventually leads to Omar being investigated and her tax history being discovered. > > As a politician, she decides that the whole bisexual + polyamorous husband thing is a bridge too far for her to maintain her political base, regardless of whether they generally vote Democratic. As such, she scrubs all social media connection between herself and Elmi and denies having any relationship with him anymore. > > Through this, she’ll have generated some false testimony to USCIS during her marriage to Elmi and then further perjured herself during the divorce proceedings but, ultimately, this was all just a load of nonsense brought on by the father of her children and trying to keep their relationship going while the children are young. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/470 "2019-09-07T07:51:29Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I was responding to “Nope, because they are not coming from direct evidence nor direct testimony.” > > I just gave you an example of the sorts of sources that I looked at. You appear to agree with me, based on those sources, that we have successfully identified Omar’s dad. > > Which is it? You can’t claim that I couldn’t have possibly independently verified anything at the same time as saying that yes, clearly, that’s Omar’s dad just as I had stated and as AhbdiJohnson stated. [Spock] Captain, the density anomaly is stronger here![/S] That is because others indeed can confirm and testify about that fact, the ones that anonymously posted the Omar conspiracy, with images that can not be examined, nor a way to examine the original picture takers or to obtain testimony from them; leads one to conclude that no, you don’t know about the proper way to check for evidence. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I made no specific accusation against Omar and I just told you on the previous page that I didn’t use any pictures that couldn’t be independently verified. If you want someone to defend the brother marriage thing, ask SlackerInc or someone. > > My argument was this: And as pointed before, an argument based on anonymous evidence and non vetted sources, as worthless as a picture of a real Rembrandt posted on the internet from an anonymous would be “hero” that claims to expose a wealthy thief of the painting by posting evidence anonymously and then does not come forward to report when the picture was taken, nor to point at the original picture takers that can provide context. That actually leads to a better argument: Most would dismiss that kind of malarkey, but you swallow the trolls bait, hook line and sinker. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/471 "2019-09-07T08:06:03Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is because others indeed can confirm and testify about that fact Quote from me, post 447: “My [position] is based on things that I was able to independently verify. I stated what those things were. Everyone is free to repeat what I did and they will find the things that I said are there, assuming that they have not been deleted.” > [@](#): > > the ones that anonymously posted the Omar conspiracy, with images that can not be examined, nor a way to examine the original picture takers or to obtain testimony from them leads one to conclude that no, you don’t know about the proper way to check for evidence. So…the ones that I’ve just told you several times that I’m not using in any way? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/472 "2019-09-07T08:11:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Quote from me, post 447: “My [position] is based on things that I was able to independently verify. I stated what those things were. Everyone is free to repeat what I did and they will find the things that I said are there, assuming that they have not been deleted.” Repeating that water is wet does not help you look smart. I actually did check the “water” you pointed at by looking at other news reports that identified the father. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So…the ones that I’ve just told you several times that I’m not using in any way? 😕 With obvious dumb results. Again, you are attempting to tell others that you are not using those, so who\* are you using then regarding the stupid Omar accusation? - And by who, I’m talking about what I pointed many times before, the original images with direct testimony from the ones that took the pictures with the context and when the pictures where taken. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/473 "2019-09-07T08:16:29Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > With obvious dumb results. You just spent two pages telling me that I was using bad evidence at the same time as also explicitly stating that you refused to read one research piece that I did because I didn’t insult someone that you hate with your _preferred_ insult. You don’t know what evidence I used, what conclusion I came to, nor what my position on the topic is but came in assuming that you did. > [@](#): > > Again, you are attempting to tell others that you are not using those, so who are you using then regarding the stupid Omar accusation? That would have been a good question to have asked at the start of the conversation. (When you weren’t posting drunk.) Do the work. ╭∩╮( ͡° ل͟ ͡° )╭∩╮ ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/474 "2019-09-07T08:20:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > You just spent two pages telling me that I was using bad evidence at the same time as also explicitly stating that you refused to read one research piece that I did because I didn’t insult someone that you hate with your _preferred_ insult. You don’t know what evidence I used, what conclusion I came to, nor what my position on the topic is. pifle, using logic it is clear that you do not have a source that even approaches to what I told you regarding the stupid accusations against Omar. So you cowardly had to resort to the easiest and lamest example in your sorry deductive tool kit. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > That would have been a good way to start the conversation. > > Do the work. > > ╭∩╮( ͡° ل͟ ͡° )╭∩╮ Nope, I demonstrated that you did a lousy work and I’m not going to take out the hook that you have in your mouth there. 😃 Point being that, there are others out there that deserve the scorn you show there, but as usual, the ones being trolled do hate more the ones that point at the error of their ways and not the ones that trolled them in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/475 "2019-09-07T08:24:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > the easiest and lamest example in your sorry deductive tool kit. This one was easier. Only one link required. [https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f](https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/476 "2019-09-07T08:41:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > This one was easier. Only one link required. > > [https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f](https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f) The Star Tribune could not find records in Minnesota showing that the two ever married, this is not evidence of that either. So, as pointed before, you are really not trying. And that hook in your mouth really does not look better. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/477 "2019-09-07T08:56:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Too bad that after all that typing, it is a very moot point, Omar won the election while that conspiracy was already in the news: > > [Minnesota House hopeful calls marriage, fraud claims 'lies' | AP News](https://www.apnews.com/cc2ccd70de56405098d2f259bf0e46c5) She has not faced voters since the publication of the Strib article I posted. Still, she is probably safe because the district is so overwhelmingly Democratic. But that doesn’t (or shouldn’t) mean it doesn’t matter. Her predecessor in that congressional seat, Keith Ellison, who was the first Muslim elected to Congress, won a statewide race (att’y general) last fall, even after he faced accusations of being a domestic abuser. Omar is charismatic and might have had some possibility of following in his footsteps—but with this article and her failure to respond, I think it’s safe to say that dream is dead. Thankfully. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/478 "2019-09-07T09:11:04Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > She has not faced voters since the publication of the Strib article I posted. Still, she is probably safe because the district is so overwhelmingly Democratic. But that doesn’t (or shouldn’t) mean it doesn’t matter. Her predecessor in that congressional seat, Keith Ellison, who was the first Muslim elected to Congress, won a statewide race (att’y general) last fall, even after he faced accusations of being a domestic abuser. Omar is charismatic and might have had some possibility of following in his footsteps—but with this article and her failure to respond, I think it’s safe to say that dream is dead. Thankfully. Another useless point then. And many of the other right wing sources like alpha news pushed that malarkey since 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/479 "2019-09-07T09:14:18Z")
**GIGObuster** : Are you not aware that conspiracy theorists do not argue honestly. They are far too invested in their pretense of intellect. Look at those two whom you’re trying to enlighten. Totally incapable of admitting that they’ve been swindled, and are now trying to swindle others. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/480 "2019-09-07T09:27:49Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > **GIGObuster** : Are you not aware that conspiracy theorists do not argue honestly. They are far too invested in their pretense of intellect. Look at those two whom you’re trying to enlighten. Totally incapable of admitting that they’ve been swindled, and are now trying to swindle others. I Know, but I also learn too about this subject and it is a pleasure to show others the hooks that the trolled accumulate. I do think that conspiracy theorists are either dumb or willful deceivers and sometimes I’m curious about what kind they are when they pop up. “They’re all fools gentlemen, but the question remains - what KIND of fools are they?” - Gary Larson. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/481 "2019-09-07T10:00:27Z")
So Monty, are you claiming the Gallup numbers are fake news? :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=25)