# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/582 "2019-09-12T02:06:07Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Steve King Quotes… Any chance that one of them is older than the other by a bit? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/583 "2019-09-12T02:10:23Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Any chance that one of them is older than the other by a bit? Maybe, but I think they’re all pretty recent. They’re all more recent than Omar’s ‘hypnotize’ Tweet as far as I know. Is this in any way relevant? If so, why? I feel like you’re getting at something. Could you just come out and post it? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/584 "2019-09-12T02:17:53Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Maybe, but I think they’re all pretty recent. They’re all more recent than Omar’s ‘hypnotize’ Tweet as far as I know. > > Is this in any way relevant? If so, why? > > I feel like you’re getting at something. Could you just come out and post it? If they are recent, then that would be a fair rebuttal. So, returning to the previous point, I would propose that you are human and that you are a Democrat who supports Ilhan Omar, by fiat of being part of the same team. Do you have any particular reason to believe that you would somehow be immune to the same human condition which we both agree exists on the other side and have no reason to believe doesn’t exist in both sides? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/585 "2019-09-12T02:23:20Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Also, this is bullshit. > > Made up fake bullshit is not the same as real, actual, white supremacism out in the open over the course of years. So, Ilhan Omar is **not** friendly with an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI and at least one Liberal news organization (Medium)? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/586 "2019-09-12T02:51:02Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So, Ilhan Omar is **not** friendly with an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI and at least one Liberal news organization (Medium)? :dubious: It is not as simple as that. > **[Is B.D.S. Anti-Semitic? A Closer Look at the Boycott Israel Campaign...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html)** > > The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions Movement aims to press Israel to change its policies toward the Palestinians. It has generated heated debate and much misinformation. One should ask here **what** peaceful pressure against Israel’s penchant to grab more territory from Palestine could be applied. In any case, B.D.S. is not really as important or influential as many opponents to it paints it to be for propaganda reasons, but this time it is propaganda against anyone that does think that what Netanyahu and buddies think it would be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/587 "2019-09-12T03:02:54Z")
I meant to say: but this time it is propaganda against anyone that does think that Netanyahu and buddies grabbing more territory would **not** be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/588 "2019-09-12T03:16:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > {…} an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI {…} Got a link for that? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/589 "2019-09-12T04:04:07Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Got a link for that? I too would like to see a cite for the claim that Omar is “friendly with an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI”, partly because I honestly have no idea what “organization” is being referred to. If it’s meant to indicate the BDS movement, I think “organization” is an odd choice of term. There are various formally constituted organizations that **support** the BDS movement, such as the Palestinian BDS National Committee, but I wouldn’t describe the BDS movement itself as an “organization”. So yeah, cite please. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/590 "2019-09-12T04:22:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I too would like to see a cite {…} I’ve a feeling that ‘FBI designated anti-Semitic organization’ is going to turn out to have a very loose definition. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/591 "2019-09-12T04:26:55Z")
If Omar dislikes the kind of secular and mostly progressive Jews you find in the US and on the Israeli left, that would truly be ugly anti-Semitism. But if she dislikes the genocidal ultra-orthodox Jews who wield a great deal of power in the current Israeli government, who could blame her? I am happy to see Omar get tripped up by her fishy actions regarding her various marriages even if I don’t care about them on the merits, but I’m not willing to even obliquely seem to support Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition of Iron Age theocrats. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/592 "2019-09-12T05:21:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is not as simple as that. > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html) > > One should ask here **what** peaceful pressure against Israel’s penchant to grab more territory from Palestine could be applied. In any case, B.D.S. is not really as important or influential as many opponents to it paints it to be for propaganda reasons, but this time it is propaganda against anyone that does think that what Netanyahu and buddies think it would be a good idea. BDS is not the organization of which I spoke. Also not what I was referring to but… > [https://twitter.com/Jkbadawy](https://twitter.com/Jkbadawy) Translation of the “about” for Jkbadawy, according to Google, “The street that Mustafa and the palace of the emirate did not # glory\_for martyrs”. > **[Voice of America - Bias and Credibility](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-america/)** > > LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion [https://www.voanews.com/africa/somalia-businesses-face-taxation-militants](https://www.voanews.com/africa/somalia-businesses-face-taxation-militants) > **[Security Council Committee on Somalia and Eritrea Adds One Individual to List...](https://press.un.org/en/2012/sc10545.doc.htm)** > > On 17 February 2012, the Security Council Committee pursuant to resolutions 751 (1992) and 1907 (2009) concerning Somalia and Eritrea added one individual to the list of individuals and entities subject to the travel ban, assets freeze and targeted... > [@](#): > > Jim’ale also controls Hormuud Telecommunications (“Hormuud”). Hormuud Telecommunications is a company identified as being one of the single largest financiers of Al-Shabaab, which includes large lump-sum payments to Al-Shabaab in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and these payments to Al-Shabaab were facilitated by Jim’ale. > Hormuud is operated by several former large shareholders of Al-Barakaat with Jim’ale being the largest shareholder. Hormuud Telecommunications was created by the former leaders of Al-Barakaat in an attempt to re-establish themselves as a dominant telecom provider in Somalia. In addition, Hormuud managers have provided Al-Shabaab leaders such as Hassan al-Turki, an Al-Shabaab-aligned military leader who was also listed by the Somalia/Eritrea Sanctions Committee, with personal communication networks. > In addition to providing funding, Hormuud Telecommunications has provided key material and logistical support to Al-Shabaab to include weapons, private fighters and ammunition. Spokespersons for moderate Somali groups have warned the Somali people not to use Hormuud Telecommunications Company, because Hormuud personnel listen in on conversations for Al-Shabaab. Additionally, Hormuud has cut off telephone service during Al-Shabaab attacks against pro-Somali Government forces. > > > Harun Maruf @HarunMaruf ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/593 "2019-09-12T05:33:59Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Got a link for that? > > CMC fnord! > **[265.pdf](https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/265.pdf)** > > 725.87 KB > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’ve a feeling that ‘FBI designated anti-Semitic organization’ is going to turn out to have a very loose definition. > > CMC fnord! It’s not a Terrorist Organization designation, but my read would be that they are saying that it’s a likely financial front for one (which targets Israelis) but outside of their legal reach. All they can do is warn people like Chuck Schumer to tell people to avoid them. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/594 "2019-09-12T05:54:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/265.pdf](https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/265.pdf) Um, that link is a letter from an FBI official in _2009_—when Ilhan Omar was a 26-year-old college student—reporting that the FBI had severed its liaison relationship with the Council on American-Islamic Relations due to connections between CAIR and the “Palestine Committee”, and between the latter organization and Hamas. The author notes: > [@](#): > > The FBI’s decision to suspend formal contacts was not intended to reflect a wholesale judgment of the organization and its entire membership. Nevertheless, until we can resolve whether there continues to be a connection between CAIR or its executives and HAMAS, the FBI does not view CAIR as an appropriate liaison partner. It is important to note, however, that although the FBI has suspended all formal outreach activities with CAIR at this time, CAIR, its officers, and members have been encouraged to report any hate crime, violation of federal civil rights or suspicious activity to the FBI. [More recently,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American%E2%80%93Islamic_Relations#Allegations_of_Islamist_ties) > [@](#): > > In 2011, The New York Times said that while the FBI and CAIR had no “formal relationship”, CAIR officials and chapters worked regularly with FBI officials. […] > > The United States government has not listed CAIR as a terrorist organization. Given that CAIR (whatever the possible connections of some of its members or leaders with Muslim Brotherhood network organizations) is extremely active in advocating for civil rights of Muslim Americans, which is a valid area of common cause with Muslim Americans and civil-rights supporters in general, I think your trying to spin this as Ilhan Omar being “friendly with an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI” is a ludicrously weak accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/595 "2019-09-12T06:01:05Z")
A fun retweet from Jkbadawy (translated to English by Google): > [@](#): > > Jihad Khaled Retweeted > ب .كّار > @Bakkar\_74 > · > Sep 8 > The death of Palestinian prisoner Bassam al-Sayeh, one of the perpetrators of the heroic “Itamar” operation before the Jerusalem Intifada as a result of medical negligence in the prisons of the Zionists > > # Sayeh\_ martyr # Azem\_ martyr Bassam al-Sayeh planned and funded the drive-by shooting of an (former) American Jewish couple, who were in their car with their children. > **[5 arrested in West Bank murder of Israeli couple - Jewish Telegraphic Agency](https://www.jta.org/2015/10/06/israel/5-arrested-in-west-bank-murder-of-israeli-couple)** > > A U.S. State Department spokesman confirmed that Rabbi Eitam Henkin, who with his wife Naama was killed in the drive-by shooting, was an American citizen. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/596 "2019-09-12T06:01:52Z")
So, umm, no link to the official FBI webpage that lists ‘anti-Semitic organizations as designated by the FBI’ then? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/597 "2019-09-12T07:05:41Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Any chance that one of them is older than the other by a bit? Given that ALL of those quotes come from the last two years, and don’t even include anything with the interview with Unzensuriert (a white supremacist website founded by an SS officer), I don’t see your point. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/598 "2019-09-12T07:18:30Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Um, that link is a letter from an FBI official in _2009_ > **[e0707r-summary.pdf](https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2013/e0707r-summary.pdf)** > > 475.61 KB That said, having looked into the matter further, while I think it’s relatively likely that the FBI is still suspicious of the organization (at the highest level) and that this isn’t unfounded, it does seem to be the case that a whole slew of Democratic congress members (including, for example, Cory Booker) have all signed letters of endorsement for the group. It also seems to be the case that the only real accusation against CAIR (that its founders specifically created it to raise money for Hamas) has a fairly easy-to-find defense statement circulated around the Internet, saying that this was in 1994, before Hamas turned radical and started to kill people. That argument doesn’t hold, since the discussion of Hamas by the founders has them referencing the organization by a codeword, “Samah”, which seems completely unnecessary if the group didn’t intend to commit crimes. Also, Hamas was founded with an explicit covenant of Jihad and started to kill people by no later than 1989. But, I could easily see someone buying the defense if they didn’t dig into the question deeper. It is unreasonable, given how successful the group has been with courting Democratic congress members and given how easy it is to find the one defense, to attach Omar uniquely to the group minus any evidence that she has a particular relationship with the founders of the organization. I retract that particular concern. ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/599 "2019-09-12T07:28:09Z")
On the one hand, YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!! On the other, Jesus fuck what loon is going to have the job next? Still though, YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!! We are, for the moment, _slightly_ less likely to end up in a shooting war. Which is about as good as it gets with this Administration. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/600 "2019-09-12T08:03:53Z")
Just to be crystal clear, this, > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > {…} an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI {…} is something you pulled out of your ass, correct? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/601 "2019-09-12T08:41:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Just to be crystal clear, this,is something you pulled out of your ass, correct? > > CMC fnord! Along with post #595. But at least he put some [del]code[/del] weasel words in there for everyone to see the caliber of his, let’s call it, thinking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=31)