# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/602 "2019-09-12T09:08:22Z")
I predict that the part before the comma _an anti-Semitic organization, as designated by the FBI_ gets focused on, while the part after is ignored. IOW, I still want link to the official FBI webpage that lists ‘anti-Semitic organizations as designated by the FBI’. I’ll just note, this is one of those times that a ‘Well, I guess I was wrong about that.’ ain’t gonna cut it. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/603 "2019-09-12T11:58:58Z")
CAIR is a bullshit organization, but not because of anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/604 "2019-09-12T12:06:21Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I am happy to see Omar get tripped up by her fishy actions regarding her various marriages even if I don’t care about them on the merits, but I’m not willing to even obliquely seem to support Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition of Iron Age theocrats. What fishy actions? And don’t trot out that bullshit about “married her brother”. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So, umm, no link to the official FBI webpage that lists ‘anti-Semitic organizations as designated by the FBI’ then? Fun fact: I just did a web search for “anti-semitic designated by fbi”. I got a lot of links where the FBI is accused of being anti-semitic. I certainly did not get anything showing the FBI “designates a group as anti-semitic”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/605 "2019-09-12T12:11:29Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > CAIR is a bullshit organization, but not because of anti-Semitism. How so? Be specific. Show your evidence. Yeah, I know; that last word is to you like garlic is to a vampire. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/606 "2019-09-12T14:11:31Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Holy shit this thread. Tried to post it weeks ago, apparently had to wait for moderation approval? Gave it a few days and saw nothing in the forum so gave up and didn’t really follow up. Discovered it just now. > > There are some MASSIVE hypocrites in this forum. [You are a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881896). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/607 "2019-09-12T14:34:31Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > BDS is not the organization of which I spoke. > > Also not what I was referring to but… > > [https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1113171033689874433](https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1113171033689874433) > > [https://twitter.com/Jkbadawy](https://twitter.com/Jkbadawy) > > Translation of the “about” for Jkbadawy, according to Google, “The street that Mustafa and the palace of the emirate did not # glory\_for martyrs”. > > [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-america/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-america/) > > [https://www.voanews.com/africa/somalia-businesses-face-taxation-militants](https://www.voanews.com/africa/somalia-businesses-face-taxation-militants) > > [Security Council Committee on Somalia and Eritrea Adds One Individual to List of Individuals and Entities | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases](https://www.un.org/press/en/2012/sc10545.doc.htm) > > [https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1165688109176172544](https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1165688109176172544) About Hoda Abdelmonem, you really[do think that people that defend unsavory guys in a law setting should lose \*\*all \*\*human rights?](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190119-amnesty-egypt-must-release-rights-activist-abdelmonem/) Do tell. /s As for the rest: Conspicuously missing: VOA does not say that Omar was involved or mentioned along with the terrorist groups. Now why when AOL does not make even the second hand connection to Omar you are not then dismissive of the ones trying to set those connections with Omar? When VOA is not making connections but just pointing there at what terrors groups are doing? This is because the claimed connections I have seen coming from unreliable bloggers out there about Omar being in league with guys like Jim’ale are very similar to the claims that tried to claim that Obama was in league with Bill Ayers, a second hand connection that is pumped up as if the target was in league with the devil (again, not what VOA said) when it was just bait for the naive. You seem to still think that what the trollers out there don’t use mainstream or less biased press to hide the hook with the bait. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/608 "2019-09-12T15:33:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [You are a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881896). I am not, and you’re thread isn’t going like you planned. You fucking fool. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/609 "2019-09-12T15:39:30Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [You are a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881896). He’s not lying. I PM’d a mod and verified that what **Annoyed** is true. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/610 "2019-09-12T16:04:59Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > you’re thread isn’t going like you planned. It’s still going better than yours. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/611 "2019-09-12T16:15:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s still going better than yours. Uh huh. Nothing like a self-own to REALLY show em. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/612 "2019-09-12T19:05:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How so? Be specific. Show your evidence. Yeah, I know; that last word is to you like garlic is to a vampire. You’re a liar or an idiot. (Or maybe both!) I consistently provide more detailed cites, with links and relevant excerpts, then 95% of the people who post here. Just like I did upthread from the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Now, CAIR. They are Islamists who provide rhetorical support for the oppression of women, and play footsie with terrorists like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/10/will\_dems\_embrace\_candidate\_ba.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/10/will_dems_embrace_candidate_ba.html) > [@](#): > > Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s second-leading Democrat, has said that CAIR “is unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its association with groups that are suspect.” Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, who chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, has stated flatly that CAIR “has ties to terrorism.” > **[Scrutiny Increases for a Group Advocating for Muslims in U.S. (Published 2007)](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/washington/14cair.html)** > > A debate rages in Washington about the financing and motives of the Council on American- Islamic Relations. > [@](#): > > Some Muslims, particularly the secular, find CAIR overly influenced by Saudi religious interpretations, criticizing it for stating in news releases, for example, that all Muslim women are required to veil their hair when the matter is openly debated. [https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2010/11/judges-ruling-on-islamic-groups-as-unindicted-co-conspirators-made-public-030922](https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2010/11/judges-ruling-on-islamic-groups-as-unindicted-co-conspirators-made-public-030922) > [@](#): > > A federal judge’s long-secret ruling that federal prosecutors violated the rights of three major American Islamic organizations and others named as unindicted co-conspirators in a Texas terrorism support case finally became public on Friday. > However, publication of the ruling is a mixed blessing for the groups: the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America and the North American Islamic Trust. That’s because U.S. District Court Judge Jorge Solis found that the government presented “ample evidence to establish the association” of the three organizations with Hamas, a Palestinian group that the U.S. has labeled as a terrorist organization and with a defunct charity convicted in the terrorism support case, the Holy Land Foundation. I can’t quote from Google Books, but you can read about their Muslim Brotherhood connections here: > **[The New Muslim Brotherhood in the West](https://books.google.com/books?id=CStFAAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=CAIR&f=false)** > > In Europe and North America, networks tracing their origins back to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist movements have rapidly evolved into multifunctional and richly funded organizations competing to become the major representatives of Western... ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/613 "2019-09-12T23:33:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Now, CAIR. As I pointed out to **Sage Rat** concerning his own FBI-document cite on CAIR, all your cites are from 2010 or earlier. There is of course still a lot of controversy about CAIR, but more recent descriptions tend to tend to do a better job of sorting out the controversial issues. As in [this 2019-updated RationalWiki overview](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/CAIR): > [@](#): > > The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is, depending on who you ask, either a human rights and civil liberties organization founded to protect the rights of Muslims in the U.S., or an Islamist lobby group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. It should be noted that it’s perfectly possible for both to be true. […] > > CAIR was founded in 1994. While it has often been accused of being a Hamas-connected front group, this largely stems from a single prosecution in which for procedural reasons CAIR was named as one of some 250 unindicted co-conspirators in an investigation into organizations funneling money to Hamas via the Holy Land Foundation. The Foundation was a charity providing aid to Palestinians, and “set up food banks on the East Coast, helped victims of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and provided assistance to people after floods and tornadoes devastated parts of Iowa and Texas in the 1990s.” The Foundation – not CAIR – was held liable for the death of a U.S. teen killed by Hamas and his parents were awarded money damages. CAIR has never been prosecuted for a crime. […] > > **The good** > In 1995, CAIR fought to protect the rights of Muslim women to wear the hijab. This would become the most common type of court case they would be involved with. > > After the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing in which over a hundred people were murdered by Timothy McVeigh, a number of Muslims became the victims of retaliatory hate-crimes, in spite of McVeigh not being a Muslim. CAIR attempted to raise awareness of this problem in order to prevent further injuries. > > In 2005, coordinated a fatwa that condemns religious extremism and violence against civilians (though CAIR was criticized for not denouncing attacks on military targets; most definitions of terrorism don’t include these). > > **The meh** > Wrote a letter to the chief justice of the Supreme Court asking to have a sculpture of Mohammed removed from the US Supreme Court building in 1997. > > Convinced Nike to remove a design of sneakers because the letters look like something else in Arabic > > **The bad** > CAIR has been listed as a terrorist organization by the UAE, mainly due to an ongoing pissing match between the UAE and the Muslim Brotherhood, whom the UAE feels is giving CAIR their marching orders. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/614 "2019-09-12T23:42:48Z")
> [@](#): > > The good > In 1995, CAIR fought to protect the rights of Muslim women to wear the hijab. That’s “the good”? 😕 That’s like saying Atwood’s Eyes are good because they fight for the rights of handmaids to wear those big bonnets. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/615 "2019-09-13T00:04:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That’s “the good”? Speaking as a card-carrying ACLU member, yup, that’s good. If free American Muslim women (including a few of my own colleagues at work) want to wear the headscarf, or free American Jewish men (also including a few of my own colleagues) want to wear the kippah, or free American Christian women (likewise) want to wear a cross necklace, then they should not be denied their right to that form of religious expression. Same goes for any other similar personal faith observance by anyone of any religion and/or gender. As a lifelong atheist, I wouldn’t wear any religious symbol as a form of personal religious expression even if you paid me, but I absolutely will not tolerate or condone attempts to deprive non-atheists of their constitutional right to do so. You got a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/616 "2019-09-13T00:53:11Z")
Do you honestly claim that CAIR (or most of its members) believe Muslim women should feel free to wear whatever they like? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/617 "2019-09-13T01:03:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Do you honestly claim that CAIR (or most of its members) believe Muslim women should feel free to wear whatever they like? I don’t claim to know what the various members of CAIR personally “believe” about Muslim women’s clothing choices. What I do know is that CAIR as an organization, often in cooperation with local ACLU chapters, has frequently challenged in court unconstitutional discrimination against Muslim women for wearing a headscarf, which their constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties entitle them to do. I consider this a good thing, because unconstitutional discrimination that infringes people’s constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/618 "2019-09-13T01:12:01Z")
Here’s [an example](https://altoday.com/archives/12173-aclu-files-lawsuit-for-christian-womans-right-to-headscarf-in-license-photo) of the ACLU and CAIR joining forces to defend a **Christian** woman’s right to wear a religious headscarf: > [@](#): > > When Yvonne Allen of Tuskegee, Ala., went to renew her license in December, she was reportedly forced to remove the headscarf she wears for religious reasons. The clerk explained to her only Muslim women were allowed to cover their hair in the photos. > > On Tuesday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama filed a lawsuit on her behalf. > > “I was devastated when they forced me to remove my headscarf to take my driver’s license photo,” Allen said in a statement released by the ACLU. “Revealing my hair to others is disobedient to God. I should have the same right as people of other faiths to be accommodated for my religious beliefs.” > > Lee County’s refusal to grant Allen a religious accommodation contradicts state rules and violates her rights under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the Alabama Constitution, according to the lawsuit. > > On Wednesday, the Alabama chapter of America’s largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) showed their support for the suit, saying that Christian women in Alabama should be able to wear a headscarf for a driver’s license photo, just as Muslim women and Sikh men are allowed to wear religious head coverings. > > “Alabamans of all faiths should have the right to wear religious apparel in driver’s license photos,” said CAIR-Alabama Executive Director Khaula Hadeed. “The right to practice one’s faith is a universal right, one that should not be limited to Muslims and Sikhs.” Now, the issue of how traditional patriarchal oppression of women influences customs prescribing religious headcoverings for women—not only in some Muslim communities but also in some Christian and Jewish communities as well—is an important one that shouldn’t be ignored. But it is separate from the broader issue of constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religious expression and its defense by the courts. As a general principle, if a competent rights-bearing grown woman of any faith says that she wants to wear a religious headcovering, she shouldn’t be unconstitutionally prevented from doing so, or unconstitutionally discriminated against for doing so. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/619 "2019-09-13T02:30:18Z")
That is true but doesn’t make CAIR awesome for selectively “defending” this while not standing up for other rights like freethinking. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/620 "2019-09-13T02:37:25Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That is true but doesn’t make CAIR awesome for selectively “defending” this while not standing up for other rights like freethinking. Dang. I’m SURE I left those goalposts somewhere around here. Where could they have gone off to? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/621 "2019-09-13T02:47:29Z")
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