# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/762 "2019-09-20T02:22:30Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Googling suggests [this](https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/conservative-group-targets-ilhan-omar-over-payments-to-lover/). Basically she is alleged to have had an affair with a married man who runs a consulting company that her campaign hired. Having an affair with a married man is bad, if true, but hardly earth shattering. As far as the payments go, helping liberal campaigns like Omar’s is exactly the sort of thing this consulting company regularly does, so even if there was an affair it could be easily be that it started because of the payments (and work associated with them) rather than the payments caused by the affair. > > Compared with Stormy Daniels and Trump’s self dealing campaign spending this seem a pretty weak tea. That should not be the standard. I hate when I see people saying things like this, because we could justify almost anything by using that subterranean bar. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/763 "2019-09-20T03:57:32Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That should not be the standard. I hate when I see people saying things like this, because we could justify almost anything by using that subterranean bar. This is below even that. This is entirely based on a divorce filing - you know, the type of thing that gets thrown around at the end of contentious marriages, like the divorce in question. It’s literally, “I think he’s cheating on me with that tramp!” blown into astronomical proportions. And it has as much basis in evidence as every other complaint lodged against her in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/764 "2019-09-20T09:45:54Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > WTF is this thread about, now? How Muslim baby formula causes immigrants to marry their guns to get a green card. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/765 "2019-09-20T10:38:18Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > WTF is this thread about, now? Brown woman with foreign-sounding name gets uppity, attracts vultures ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/766 "2019-09-20T15:03:07Z")
_Uppity Omar_ sounds like an old-time radio show. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/767 "2019-09-20T15:11:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > _Uppity Omar_ sounds like an old-time radio show. And now I’m suddenly imagining Ilhan Omar as the star of an old-school animated TV show, like Betty Boop. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/768 "2019-09-20T15:32:43Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That should not be the standard. I hate when I see people saying things like this, because we could justify almost anything by using that subterranean bar. “Important safety tip…thanks, Egon.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/769 "2019-09-20T21:40:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There are plenty of progressive and very non-anarchistic countries in the West with no equivalent religion clauses in their constitutions, yet they manage to avoid theocracy somehow. Which country/ies are you referring to, specifically? AFAICT, while of course no other country uses the **exact same** wording in their protection of freedom of religion as the US Constitution’s First Amendment does, every country that you would presumably consider “progressive and very non-anarchistic” has legal provisions explicitly guaranteeing freedom of religion. So your childish demand for a national legal framework that doesn’t even mention religion is still a bunch of bullshit as far as realistic protections against theocratic oppression are concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/770 "2019-09-20T22:25:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And now I’m suddenly imagining Ilhan Omar as the star of an old-school animated TV show, like Betty Boop. 😃 Cue badly-Photoshopped picture of a flapper Omar in a speakeasy with a cartoon dog. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/771 "2019-09-21T00:09:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Which country/ies are you referring to, specifically? > > AFAICT, while of course no other country uses the **exact same** wording in their protection of freedom of religion as the US Constitution’s First Amendment does, every country that you would presumably consider “progressive and very non-anarchistic” has legal provisions explicitly guaranteeing freedom of religion. > > So your childish demand for a national legal framework that doesn’t even mention religion is still a bunch of bullshit as far as realistic protections against theocratic oppression are concerned. Then explain to me how France banned burqas. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/772 "2019-09-21T01:29:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > How Muslim baby formula causes immigrants to marry their guns to get a green card. Damn you, Obamacare! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/773 "2019-09-21T04:33:04Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Then explain to me how France banned burqas. The ban is not specific to burqas. It specifies that no one may wear masks or other garments that obscure the face in a public space. This does not apply to religious spaces. The ban applies to everyone, and specifically exempts religious uses. But don’t let facts slow you down. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/774 "2019-09-21T05:56:21Z")
But it’s clearly a law that would not pass U.S. constitutional muster. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/775 "2019-09-21T09:46:15Z")
Depends how many islamophobes the SC is padded out with, no? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/776 "2019-09-21T12:42:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But it’s clearly a law that would not pass U.S. constitutional muster. Correct? What do you suppose you’re proving with this example? Seems to me you’re making an arguement against yourself. You are trying to argue that your country’s constitution shouldn’t even make mention of religion, right? Or did I get that wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/777 "2019-09-21T16:15:58Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > What do you suppose you’re proving with this example? > Seems to me you’re making an arguement against yourself. > > You are trying to argue that your country’s constitution shouldn’t even make mention of religion, right? Or did I get that wrong? I was wondering the same. If I recall, **SlackerInc** has been arguing freedom of/from religion should not be in the Constitution, because other countries don’t have the same severe protections and don’t have any problem with protecting religious expression. So he points out how a country that doesn’t have the same severe protections restricts religious expression. That said, this entire thread is an exercise in mental masturbation of right wing talking points. The most potent cites are from Republican communication directors and an estranged wife’s divorce claim. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/778 "2019-09-21T16:51:29Z")
::checks in:: oh, this thread is till going. right ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/779 "2019-09-21T21:17:49Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > What do you suppose you’re proving with this example? > Seems to me you’re making an arguement against yourself. > > You are trying to argue that your country’s constitution shouldn’t even make mention of religion, right? Or did I get that wrong? You are right. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I was wondering the same. If I recall, **SlackerInc** has been arguing freedom of/from religion should not be in the Constitution, because other countries don’t have the same severe protections and don’t have any problem with protecting religious expression. > > So he points out how a country that doesn’t have the same severe protections restricts religious expression. No, I am against “protecting religious expression”. If I don’t have the right to do it for “shits ‘n’ giggles”, you shouldn’t have the right to do it because you belong to a big club of people who believe a bunch of woo written in a book thousands of years ago. But my point was that countries like France don’t have our constitutional protection of religion, yet they also don’t have the parade of horribles Kimstu darkly warned of. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/780 "2019-09-22T02:38:09Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But my point was that countries like France don’t have our constitutional protection of religion, yet they also don’t have the parade of horribles Kimstu darkly warned of. I just googled “does france’s constitution mention religion”. It does. So . . . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/781 "2019-09-22T03:43:55Z")
France’s constitution guarantees religious freedom. What it doesn’t have is America’s strict separation of church and state. Would you prefer that America also relax it’s separation of church and state? Or do you just feel it’s unnecessary baggage? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=40)