# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/802 "2019-09-24T18:46:25Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > I imagine that if she cried sexual assault vs a Republican, you’d be rushing to believe her then … Likely we’d be “rushing” to demand a full and serious investigation, and we’d be critical of anyone who denigrated her simply for coming forward and making an accusation. Which is pretty reasonable after a serious accusation, right? > [@](#): > > And you guys wonder why the moderates here find this place a very very biased partisan place If it’s these kind of fantasies about hypothetical evil liberals that’s causing this belief, then I’m afraid there’s not much us real world non-hypothetical (and non-evil) liberals can do about it. You’ll have to look inside for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/803 "2019-09-24T18:48:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Likely we’d be “rushing” to demand a full and serious investigation, and we’d be critical of anyone who denigrated her simply for coming forward and making an accusation. Which is pretty reasonable after a serious accusation, right? > > If it’s these kind of fantasies about hypothetical evil liberals that’s causing this belief, then I’m afraid there’s not much us real world non-hypothetical (and non-evil) liberals can do about it. You’ll have to look inside for that one. Evidently you can’t read the post (that I quoted). In no way did the poster I quoted call for ANY investigation, serious or otherwise, just a simple, "I don’t believe her’ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/804 "2019-09-24T19:00:06Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Evidently you can’t read the post (that I quoted). In no way did the poster I quoted call for ANY investigation, serious or otherwise, just a simple, "I don’t believe her’ The poster said “I don’t believe it”, not “I don’t believe her”. And there have been investigations into this by journalists, which is entirely appropriate for weird accusations against politicians. But this is different than sexual assault. We don’t live in a society that treats people like shit for making accusations about some strange marriage situation. We do live in a society that treats people (and especially women) like shit for making accusations of sexual assault. Sexual assault really should be treated differently becuase our society does such a terrible job at it. This is improving, but only a little bit. Women are still regularly treated like shit for nothing more than speaking out about their own experiences. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/805 "2019-09-24T20:42:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The poster said “I don’t believe it”, not “I don’t believe her”. And there have been investigations into this by journalists, which is entirely appropriate for weird accusations against politicians. > > But this is different than sexual assault. We don’t live in a society that treats people like shit for making accusations about some strange marriage situation. We do live in a society that treats people (and especially women) like shit for making accusations of sexual assault. Sexual assault really should be treated differently becuase our society does such a terrible job at it. This is improving, but only a little bit. Women are still regularly treated like shit for nothing more than speaking out about their own experiences. Yes, we live in a society where it is ok when your side does it. I got it. Being called a liar is being called a liar. Talking out of the side of your mouth is not only condoned, it is also what we have come to expect … And that bodes terribly for our continual slide into the depths of hell for our society. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/806 "2019-09-24T20:44:49Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Yes, we live in a society where it is ok when your side does it. I got it. Being called a liar is being called a liar. > > Talking out of the side of your mouth is not only condoned, it is also what we have come to expect … And that bodes terribly for our continual slide into the depths of hell for our society. This doesn’t respond to anything I actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/807 "2019-09-24T21:09:57Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > I imagine that if she cried sexual assault vs a Republican, you’d be rushing to believe her then … > > And you guys wonder why the moderates here find this place a very very biased partisan place I imagine you fuck chickens. Doesn’t mean either have any basis in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/808 "2019-09-24T21:25:19Z")
Is Omar still the person to attack? I thought the two minute hate was now focused on the young girl from Sweden. \* WE HATES HER!\* ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/809 "2019-09-24T21:46:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What does this have to do with her marriage? As far as the marriage topic is concerned, the statements on the right have been that Omar deletes everything they find to support their case. And the reaction on the left has been to claim falsification of social media posts by the right, rather than that they have taken genuine screenshots of (now deleted) posts by Ilhan. That claim is weaker if we know that she does in fact delete stuff. The falsification case is weaker. Whether the evidence from the right points to brother marriage or not be as it may, it is relevant in terms of evaluating evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/810 "2019-09-24T22:08:26Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > As far as the marriage topic is concerned, the statements on the right have been that Omar deletes everything they find to support their case. And the reaction on the left has been to claim falsification of social media posts by the right, rather than that they have taken genuine screenshots of (now deleted) posts by Ilhan. > > That claim is weaker if we know that she does in fact delete stuff. The falsification case is weaker. > > Whether the evidence from the right points to brother marriage or not be as it may, it is relevant in terms of evaluating evidence. This is not accurate. The claim “on the left” is that no actual evidence that she married her brother has been put forth. Just rumor and innuendo. That she sometimes deletes social media posts puts her in a group of millions (or perhaps billions) that includes pretty much every person I know that posts on social media (including myself). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/811 "2019-09-24T22:08:38Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > And you guys wonder why the moderates here find this place a very very biased partisan place I’m a moderate. Yes it’s very biased and partisan. Demonizing the right to extremes is routine and usually goes unremarked. But the bias is open, and people aren’t assholes (unless you’re being one to them) so I don’t find it an uncomfortable environment at all. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/812 "2019-09-24T22:45:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is not accurate. The claim “on the left” is that no actual evidence that she married her brother has been put forth. Just rumor and innuendo. That she sometimes deletes social media posts puts her in a group of millions (or perhaps billions) that includes pretty much every person I know that posts on social media (including myself). And yet, many on this illustrious website claimed that it was more reasonable to believe that the posts were done up by professional deep fakers than to buy in to the idea that she might have deleted them before the proper media could come looking. If you are innocent of that, then the news isn’t relevant to you and that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/813 "2019-09-24T22:52:55Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And the reaction on the left has been to claim falsification of social media posts by the right, rather than that they have taken genuine screenshots of (now deleted) posts by Ilhan. Again with this!? Who is claiming that social media posts/screen shots are being falsified? Anyone in this thread? Or just the strawmen in your head? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/814 "2019-09-24T23:04:41Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And yet, many on this illustrious website claimed that it was more reasonable to believe that the posts were done up by professional deep fakers than to buy in to the idea that she might have deleted them before the proper media could come looking. And again with this too!? Your love of hyperbole is blinding you from proper judgement of what is “reasonable.” It’s quite reasonable to assume she made and deleted the post herself for entirely mundane and innocuous reasons. It’s also reasonable to consider the possibility that some rando with an axe to grind whipped up something on photoshop, entirely without “professional deep fake” credentials. I’m inclined to assume the former. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/815 "2019-09-24T23:14:39Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Who is claiming that social media posts/screen shots are being falsified? > Anyone in this thread? Or just the strawmen in your head? I see an oblique mention by BigT in this thread, though I don’t think that he was endorsing it. GIGOBuster refused to say what he was talking about one way or the other but pretty strongly implied that evidence had been falsified, so I lean towards him believing that information was falsified but that he’s realized that he’ll look like an idiot now if he actually says it. Otherwise, the majority of examples are in the previous thread. And, as said, if you’re not in that camp then it’s not relevant to you. If you have done the braining, then I congratulate you for that. My animosity is against those who did the stupid instead and then decided to piss in other threads about it. I suspect that they’ve been suitably subdued by this point, but I’m not above rubbing it in. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/816 "2019-09-25T00:57:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Hey now - Islam is not a “race”. He’s a _sectarian_ bigot. But in the United States today, the bigots attack those of a particular, shall we say, skin hue. The bigots assume those “swarthy” types are undesirable, foreign, and especially Muslim. It matter not what the facts about them are; all that matters is the bigots’ perception. And that perception has proven to be fatal to the swarthy “other”. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I have been too busy to post. Possibly this weekend I’ll have some time to follow up with where we were on CAIR (not that it really mattered to the subject at hand). > > But, anyways, in the meanwhile, ProPublica caught Omar deleting a tweet where she called her father by his other name: > > [https://projects.propublica.org/politwoops/tweet/346398031572250625](https://projects.propublica.org/politwoops/tweet/346398031572250625) > > That’s the first conclusive evidence that I know that she is actively deleting social media posts that are used by the right against her. If I were to check every post you’ve made on this site, will there be any posts which you have edited? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What does this have to do with her marriage? Well, depending on the situation, my wife calls me by nickname (which I prefer) or by the name by brothers and sister call me, or by my legal name. I guess that means, to people with Sage Rat’s mental acuity, my wife is likely married to three men at the very same time! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/817 "2019-09-25T02:06:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > If I were to check every post you’ve made on this site, will there be any posts which you have edited? Indeed, it’s more likely that I edited my posts than that I hacked the server and edited the database to list my posts as edited. The latter is not impossible but it’s less probable. I lean towards the likelihood that I have edited my posts rather than falsified them into “edited” condition. And if someone decided to opt to say that I did it through hacking, then I would say that they should do the work and prove it rather than simply make the assertion and treat that like proof. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/818 "2019-09-25T02:17:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, depending on the situation, my wife calls me by nickname (which I prefer) or by the name by brothers and sister call me, or by my legal name. I guess that means, to people with Sage Rat’s mental acuity, my wife is likely married to three men at the very same time! No idea, but there is about a 7% chance that your wife is unfaithful to you based on population studies. If you find a guy listing his address as your home address, where you cohabit with your wife, on his marriage application and lists your wife as his partner on that same application, that may explain where all your strawberries are disappearing to. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/819 "2019-09-25T02:21:51Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I lean towards the likelihood that I have edited my posts rather than falsified them into “edited” condition. You don’t sound entirely sure. How many of you are there? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/820 "2019-09-25T02:25:49Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > My animosity is against those who did the stupid instead and then decided to piss in other threads about it. I suspect that they’ve been suitably subdued by this point, but I’m not above rubbing it in. So, not a fan of people bringing shit from one thread into another? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/821 "2019-09-25T03:29:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > No idea, but there is about a 7% chance that your wife is unfaithful to you based on population studies. Perhaps you should get a better “population study”, perhaps one that includes more pertinent demographics. > [@](#): > > If you find a guy listing his address as your home address, where you cohabit with your wife, on his marriage application and lists your wife as his partner on that same application, that may explain where all your strawberries are disappearing to. I have no control over what someone puts on a piece of paper. Oh, and you’re still insane and dishonest. Maybe emptying out my ignore list was not a peachy idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=42)