# Ilhan Omar - A thread about her marriage and immigration history. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347 "2019-07-20T12:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/842 "2019-09-26T18:43:50Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > I don’t find it uncomfortable at all. I find it comical at times the way people have to twist themselves into pretzels when called out for hypocrisy instead of admit fault. Andy being the prime example here. For many threads he has espoused a position of ‘we need to believe’, yet when it happens to the other side , it’s A-ok! Sounds like you’re lying about me. Unless you have a cite. Got one handy, or is this just dishonest bullshit you’re pulling out of your ass? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/843 "2019-09-26T19:22:19Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > I don’t find it uncomfortable at all. I find it comical at times the way people have to twist themselves into pretzels when called out for hypocrisy instead of admit fault. Andy being the prime example here. For many threads he has espoused a position of ‘we need to believe’, yet when it happens to the other side , it’s A-ok! Dude, WTF? You think “Don’t demonize a victim and let an investigation take place” is the same as “We need to believe a woman when she says her husband and some other person are having an affair”? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/844 "2019-09-26T20:54:59Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Dude, WTF? You think “Don’t demonize a victim and let an investigation take place” is the same as “We need to believe a woman when she says her husband and some other person are having an affair”? > > Really? Is that really how you choose to take Andy’s characterizations of the alleged victim needing to be believed … Absence evidence no less? Believing someone is believing someone, unless proven otherwise. I for one don’t go around saying that I never make a judgement based upon little evidence but I sure try hard not to. That is a far cry from “We need to believe her!” And yes Andy, If I need to slog through the me too thread, I can find plenty of quotes but you stating such. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/845 "2019-09-26T21:24:49Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Is that really how you choose to take Andy’s characterizations of the alleged victim needing to be believed … Absence evidence no less? > > Believing someone is believing someone, unless proven otherwise. I for one don’t go around saying that I never make a judgement based upon little evidence but I sure try hard not to. > > That is a far cry from “We need to believe her!” > > And yes Andy, If I need to slog through the me too thread, I can find plenty of quotes but you stating such. Let’s see a cite then. Or maybe you’re just a liar. We’ll see. By my memory I’ve never said that we should believe all alleged victims. Bring on the cite. If not, then you’re just yet another bullshitting liar. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/846 "2019-09-26T22:57:06Z")
Wait, now Omar is accused of sexually assaulting someone? This entire thread is such a whirlwind… ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/847 "2019-09-26T23:10:16Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Wait, now Omar is accused of sexually assaulting someone? I did not have sexual relations with that woman. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/848 "2019-09-27T00:42:29Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Wait, now Omar is accused of sexually assaulting someone? > > This entire thread is such a whirlwind… Yes. Apparently not marrying your brother is exactly the same thing as being the victim of sexual assault. 😕 **Kearsen1** could you show your work on this? I don’t follow your logic at all. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/849 "2019-09-27T06:30:23Z")
People do dumb and pointless things, yes. But not the kind of “dumb and pointless” that involves finding a six year old tweet (I was on Twitter six years ago but I’m not even sure how to find those old tweets) that is completely innocent and deleting it for no reason whatsoever. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/850 "2019-09-27T06:37:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > People do dumb and pointless things, yes. But not the kind of “dumb and pointless” that involves finding a six year old tweet (I was on Twitter six years ago but I’m not even sure how to find those old tweets) that is completely innocent and deleting it for no reason whatsoever. :dubious: And therefore, we know for sure that _only_ an unrepentant brother-fucker of the Zensunni would dare to delete a tweet calling her father by his Other Name. The Forms have been obeyed. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/851 "2019-09-27T12:37:30Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Is that really how you choose to take Andy’s characterizations of the alleged victim needing to be believed … Absence evidence no less? Yeah I do. Let me guess, you also think that many lives have been destroyed by false rape allegations too, right? Oh sorry, let me rephrase: You think that many lives have been destroyed by false rape allegations. Now that I’ve said it, you have to believe me. Since that is what those in the #metoo movement mean - believe everyone who says anything about anything. :rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/852 "2019-09-27T12:41:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And therefore, we know for sure that _only_ an unrepentant brother-fucker of the Zensunni would dare to delete a tweet calling her father by his Other Name. > > The Forms have been obeyed. Again, if anyone is accusing her of having sex with her brother, I missed it. It certainly was not I. It’s clear she’s hiding something about her family and marriages, though. And again, if I liked her and wanted her to succeed, I would help you guys try to sweep it under the rug because I don’t actually care about it on the merits. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/853 "2019-09-27T15:23:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > {…} if I liked her and wanted her to succeed, I would help you guys try to sweep it under the rug because I don’t actually care about it on the merits. What a Republican set of ethics you have there! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/854 "2019-09-27T16:26:14Z")
We do care about it on its merits. The problem is that it doesn’t have any. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/855 "2019-09-27T18:19:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > What a Republican set of ethics you have there! > > CMC fnord! How dare you. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/856 "2019-09-27T21:58:00Z")
He’s not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/857 "2019-09-28T04:51:24Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yeah, Hitchens was an incredibly smart guy, and he wrote some very interesting and provocative essays during his lifetime, but he ran seriously off the rails in the wake of 9/11. He said quite a few foolish things on other subjects too, and a lot of his “deeper” writings were largely a veneer of rhetorical polish over a substructure of fact and analysis created by some other author whose contribution Hitchens didn’t fully acknowledge. Yes, as I noted, he was a very intelligent and eloquent writer, but his rationality was a very hit-or-miss affair. When he had a good insight (or a reliable source), he could make a brilliant and often profound argument for it; but when he had a bad idea or the wrong end of a stick, he defended his position just as stubbornly, refusing to recognize its illogic. Basically, Hitchens was a debater rather than a thinker: he liked a controversy that would attract attention to him, and in which he could make epigrammatic and emotionally appealing arguments without being too limited by considerations like strict truth or rational consistency. He famously remarked that “the one unforgivable sin is to be boring”, and his writing shows that he could forgive himself a lot of lying, fudging and borrowing as long as he avoided boringness. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/858 "2019-09-28T16:49:50Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And again, if I liked her and wanted her to succeed, I would help you guys try to sweep it under the rug because I don’t actually care about it on the merits. Good grief. Is that really what you think folks are doing here? Is that really what you would do? Shame on you, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/859 "2019-09-28T16:54:50Z")
Yeah, every time **Slacker** posts lately, I become more aware of how morally vacuous he really is. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/860 "2019-09-29T04:18:02Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > How dare you. If the shoe fits… No one’s been trying to sweep anything under the rug - they’ve simply been demanding some sort of proof or evidence. All we’ve seen is tortured assumptions (at best), about a few deleted tweets and Instagram pics. If you have any solid evidence against Ilhan Omar (other than being Muslim :rolleyes:), feel free to share it at some point, or quit bitching about how no one believes she’s so evil. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347/861 "2019-09-29T04:37:32Z")
Chisquirrel, you’re losing the plot. I don’t think the stuff that she is accused of around her marriages is “evil”. The stuff I dislike her for is a matter of public record. This is just a convenient way to get her. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Good grief. Is that really what you think folks are doing here? > Is that really what you would do? Yes, and yes. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yeah, every time **Slacker** posts lately, I become more aware of how morally vacuous he really is. Nah, it’s all about the greater good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ilhan-omar-a-thread-about-her-marriage-and-immigration-history/837347.md?page=44)