Omar married her brother would classify as an extradordinary event. That claim is the one that requires extraordinary evidence.
I once saw a gorilla at the zoo do that.
Neither are accusations and insinuations.
And that’s really all that needed to be said.
But the way you’ve been carrying on, I get the impression you’ve been laying the groundwork to pull either an “I told you so” or an “I never said,” depending on how things pan out.
I told my grandma that she shouldn’t back Kavanaugh because the level and evidence of accusations for sexual assault tend to ramp up, just after Ford came forward.
No one else came forward.
My aim at the time was to urge caution, rather than for her to dive in to back the guy just because he was on her side.
Having failed to predict the future doesn’t mean that my warning wasn’t correct. I stand by my judgment that jumping in blind was foolhardy.
My advice has been to do the work. You should download the social media images and examine their metadata to see if there is any evidence that they are faked; you should request the school records of Elmi’s University to check for people of a different name and birthdate; and you should email City Pages to ask whether Omar requested a change to the names of her family. Hell, just even check whether Elmo was under or above the age of 21 at the time. There is a wide open gap in the hypothetical just sitting there open. This is not hard.
If you’re not exercising caution, you’re not doing the work, and you’re not paying attention to what is actually being said, then you are failing the mission of this website.
If you do that work, you will not prove me wrong nor right because my argument was and is: Stop being a partisan wuss. If you’re scared that you’ll prove things the wrong way from what you wanted then don’t poke your head in. If you’re not worried then stop bitching and do the work.
I win if you put in the effort.
It’s for accusers to “do the work” of actually proving that their accusations are true. People who don’t immediately believe poorly supported accusations are under no obligation to do any work to disprove them. Nor are they required to disprove the accusations in order to justify their skepticism about them.
A poorly supported accusation doesn’t become more credible just because nobody’s bothered to investigate it. If further investigation turns up better support for it, then it becoms more credible. But so far nobody’s managed to turn up any better support for the Omar brother-marriage rumors than multiple layers of gossip and speculation.
Nothing you’re doing in this discussion can plausibly be called “winning”.
Suuure you don’t. :rolleyes:
Apparently I failed to post my mockery of the phrase ‘fairly undoubtedly’ earlier. I thought I had. That phrase is still an excuse to use an unjustified absolute term (‘undoubtedly’) by adding a softening adverb (‘fairly’) which destroys the semantic meaning of the absolute term.
Also, she isn’t.
Three different women came forward with different but still unsavory stories about Mr Kavanaugh. Maybe not attempted rapes, but not nothing.
(Considering that Blasey Ford was under constant threat for her testimony, it’s very possible that there were more women actually raped by Kavanaugh who were sucessfully intimidated or simply killed by the [sigh] Epstein-Barr mob.)
Until there is evidence, Omar is just like anyone else living here, and shouldn’t be subjected to claims that she did anything untoward.
Yes, now that she is a public figure, she is going to be subjected to greater scrutiny than others, but if that scrutiny doesn’t uncover evidence of wrongdoing, we shouldn’t be making up stories and demanding that others disprove them.
Immigration fraud?
Becoming an American citizen is one of the greatest things in the world and I admire any young person who desires it enough to cheat a little to get it.
Well, you know, you’re right unless the target happens to be Black, Female, Muslim, and an immigrant. Then the hell with acting decent.
At least that’s what certain people (Trump, for one, his supporters, and at least two posters on this board) are doing in regards to her.
Any time a right wing “Trumpeteer” says some liberal should be prosecuted, I can only reply, “You’re guy first.” We’ll start with treason and work our way down the line from there.
All the way down to “misuse of apostrophes”.
Regards,
Shodan
Hopefully without the typo. 
Meanwhile, the post count for the deeply-concerned citizen that started this thread still remains resolutely at 1.
What’s the maximum sentence for that?
What about for things like cofvefe or infantroopen?
Given the credibility of the accusation against Kavagnah, this was wise counsel to give your grandmother if she was about to jump to his defense based on an unthinking desire to defend someone she perceived as being “on her side”.
Especially in light of the fact that there were indeed other accusers and other evidence that emurged. Although clearly not enough to satisfy those who chose to give him one of the most influential positions in the country.
You seem to be suggesting that your intent is to similarly caution folks here against jumping too soon to the defense of someone “on their side” without considering the evidence.
I think a summary of thread context is in order.
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The OP has made the following claim, WITHOUT providing credible evidence.
**Annoyed: “it really does seem like Omar married her brother to get him American citizenship, among other things.” ** -
The OP has failed to back up this accusation, or even respond to challenges, and has instead let YOU do the work of digging up other evidence to bolster this claim.
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Most folks chiming in have said something to the effect of one or more of the following:
There sources of this accusation are spurious.
There is no substantial evidence at this point.
The onus for providing evidence regarding such an accusation should be on the accuser. -
While strangely obsessing over social media posts, traffic tickets and other “evidence” that you consider pertinent within “the spectrum of possibilities”, You have, at last, stated that there is currently no evidence for Omar having done what the OP accuses her of.
Now, three questions:
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You really seem hung up on those social media posts. What, if anything, do you think they prove?
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You’ve told myself and others what we should be doing. What is your message to the OP?
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If you agree that there is currently no substantial evidence against Omar, why the great dance about traffic tickets, social media posts, and “some folks are saying” journalism? Do you just enjoy playing devil’s advocate, or do you actually have contempt for this congresswoman?
OK, technically four questions.
Which of the other accusers do you mean - Judy Munro-Leighton, Julie Swetnick, Debbie Ramirez, or Jeffrey Catalan?
Regards,
Shodan
Sandwiched between the bullshit accusations you included these. Let’s see… bullshit politics, a dishonest headline, and total irrelevance. But thank you for (once again) casting aspersions on women for doing nothing more than telling their stories, with literally not a shred of evidence that they are lying.
Let us compare and contrast if you will. Each of these accusers claimed to have personally witnessed something done by a Kavanaugh.
Not a single accuser of Ilhan Omar has even claimed to know Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, nor Ilhan Omar personally, nor do any of them have personal direct knowledge of any wrongdoings by either of them, nor do they actually know who either of them are actually related to.
The Kavanaugh accusers may have been incorrect or lying or otherwise unreliable, but the form of their accusation was inherently… normal. They said they saw that guy do that thing, or that guy did that thing to me.
Omar’s accusers are inherently… nonsense. They are cherrypicking documents about people they don’t know, latching onto the tiniest inconsistency, and launching bizarre unfounded accusations as a result. And then expect the rest of the world prove them wrong.
And by the way, we’ve seen how idiots like this react to being proven wrong. They don’t accept it. It doesn’t matter what you provide, or who you get to certify it, they will just accuse you of lying about it and repeat their idiotic claims. (See Obama Birf Certificate)
Works for me.
Didn’t read the cites, did you? Unless recanting doesn’t count as evidence.
Regards,
Shodan
I did read the cites, and they don’t support any accusation of dishonesty.