It was always about having a scandal against a successful Black public figure to talk about.
I am late to this thread, so can someone point me to the post that links to these photos and lays out the basic argument?
I think people are sometimes a little quick to jump to this specific conclusion. I am not fond of the “squad”, but I am very fond of black legislators like Jim Clyburn and William Lacy Clay.
It’s cool.
That would be nice.
(Though I suspect the content wouldn’t be.)
For God’s sake, man! Stop inferring that I’m inferring that you’re calling me lazy because I don’t agree with you!
And let’s not get sidetracked with feet and cheese and coastal lighthouses and other stuff that, to quote you, “doesn’t even have anything to do with the topic.”
The OP claimed “it really does seem like Omar married her brother to get him American citizenship, among other things.”
In Post #6, Iiandiii responds "As far as I can tell, there’s still no actual evidence (aside from a maybe-exists, maybe-it-doesn’t supposed social media post about nieces/nephews that may or may not have been made by the person in question) that she married her brother. "
In Post #26, you respond to iiandyiii by presenting a not entirely implausible, but completely conjectural scenario in which Omar may have married her brother for his convenience. This is your first contribution to the thread.
#27 Andy retorts "Very interesting guesses. Perhaps you should write a short story? " To which you respond thus:
You suggested that the only two explanations are either A) The accusations are true and Omar married her brother, or B) That right-wing bloggers studied Somali and faked a whole bunch of social media screenshots.
In this thread, it’s only YOU who has presented this false dichotomy.
You keep telling people to "prove that the social media posts are faked. "
But has anyone on this thread even said that they are obviously faked? Did I miss that?
My question to YOU is, ASSUMING the posts and pics are real, not faked, what does that mean?
Does it mean Omar must have married her brother?
According to you, either she married her brother, or the screenshots were faked, right? (post #29)
If there are any particular such screenshots/pics that you consider to be evidence worthy of consideration, please provide us with links.
Several pages into the thread you admitted that there is currently no evidence to support the accusation that Omar married her brother, yet you still leave this vague suggestion that we’re in denial of … something.
Like you’re saying “Well… I’ve just been asking questions. Ain’t no harm in asking questions. Maybe y’all should be asking more questions.”
Well, I have been asking questions. Why can’t you give me a straight answer?
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21714806&postcount=75
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21714827&postcount=77 (picture referenced has since been deleted by Elmi)
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21714862&postcount=79
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21715115&postcount=105
It means that the accusation has credence but that there is a wide scope for everything from guilt to complete innocence, which I have said several times recently, so I fail to see what’s unclear beyond an attempt to avoid moving to the next step, where the next step would be to do some work.
Do the work and then feel free to ask me anything.
This “work” is a useless waste of time, so you should do it, and let us all know how it works out for you when you’re done.
:dubious: A “wide scope for everything from guilt to complete innocence” makes the concept of an accusation having “credence” a good deal less meaningful.
Heck, by that reasoning there’s just as much “credence” for the accusation that I personally assassinated Jeffrey Epstein. You don’t know that I didn’t, so I might be guilty; on the other hand, you don’t know that I did, so I might be completely innocent. Why don’t you do some work on that and see if you can “reduce the spectrum of hypotheticals”?
That would be just as sensible as your contention that other people should “do the work” on attempting to discredit a mishmash of unsubstantiated speculation about Ilhan Omar that even the originators and promoters of those speculations can’t manage to come up with factual evidence for.
I’ve been away from this thread and just skimmed this page.
Did I read right that Wm Lacy Clay pretended to be Ilhan’s brother to assassinate Epstein?
This is just the break Cori Bush is looking for!
Is it against the rules to hijack this thread to tell you to support Cori? She’s a Justice Dem, like Ilhan, & it will annoy SlackerInc.
Thank you for providing the links. And I owe you an apology.
What you’ve linked to, while not strong evidence that Omar married her brother, is certainly not nothing.
I could wish that the information didn’t come from sources with titles that presuppose the truth of the accusation and clearly have a massive axe to grind,
but I guess sometimes the ax-grinders are the only ones willing to dig into a story.
I’ll wait to see how this plays out, remaining skeptical of the accusation, but open to the possibility that shenanigans have gone on.
Dammit, Kimtsu! Stop giving me more work!
Wow, that’s a lot of work for a story that doesn’t pass the initial bullshit test.
If Ilhan’s father has US citizenship, Ilhan didn’t need to marry her half-brother on her father’s side to get him in. And the whole thing relies on saying that the brother/fake-husband was using his real name, while the father was using a fake name.
Some of us have seen this kind of trick before. It’s recognizably a pile of carefully presented lies.
The only thing it is other than nothing is bullshit.
Why and what shenanigans (here, that reads: married her brother) do you have actual evidence for?
Yeppers.
I don’t. That’s why I’m choosing to remain highly skeptical of the accusation.
“Highly skeptical” does not equal “recognize bullshit.”
The evidence is that they’re hiding something, that Elmi (likely) calls Omar’s daughters his nieces, and that Omar lived with both of her husbands at the same time. Pigeonholing the “something” to “brother marriage” isn’t a disproof, it’s just pigeonholing.
Let’s say for example that Omar’s husband, Hirsi, is bisexual and polyamorous. He meets a handsome, British Somali lad online and tells Omar that he’s debating to leave her and go to England. They talk it out and decide that she’s okay with him having a boyfriend.
The most practical way for them to all be together, they decide, is for Omar to marry Elmi.
They bring Elmi into the US as Omar’s husband and all start to live together. They call Elmi an ‘Uncle’ to their children and he calls them his nieces.
Pretty quickly, the family determines that this was all a bad idea and Elmi leaves to go live on his own. Eventually, he returns to England after he’s done studying at University. Omar and him are still friendly, it’s more the Hirsi/Elmi relationship that’s off.
The social media links between Omar and Elmi, with him calling her kids “niece” and her dad (for whatever reason) going by a similar name to Elmi kicks off a brother/sister theory among the Somali community, which eventually leads to Omar being investigated and her tax history being discovered.
As a politician, she decides that the whole bisexual + polyamorous husband thing is a bridge too far for her to maintain her political base, regardless of whether they generally vote Democratic. As such, she scrubs all social media connection between herself and Elmi and denies having any relationship with him anymore.
Through this, she’ll have generated some false testimony to USCIS during her marriage to Elmi and then further perjured herself during the divorce proceedings but, ultimately, this was all just a load of nonsense brought on by the father of her children and trying to keep their relationship going while the children are young.
This appears to be based on the fact that they are refusing to provide further grist for the mills of conspiracy theorists looking to smear them. Just because someone tells you to go fuck yourself when you demand information from them you have no right to ask for doesn’t mean they’re “hiding something”.
We’ve already discussed the fact that calling someone “uncle/aunt/niece/nephew” in Somali and many other cultures is commonly used to refer to other family members and even family friends. It wouldn’t "“kick off” anything in the Somali community. This isn’t a piece of the jigsaw puzzle; this is a Wheat Thin you nibbled the corners off and are claiming is a puzzle piece.
“Both of her husbands”. :rolleyes:
Cool story, bro.
And a nice pile of sand.
Physical models of the universe are all just hypotheticals that match the known facts. Would you say that we should stick with relativity, because it was given to us from up on high by Albert Fuckin’ Einstein, or continue to postulate other possibilities in the aim of finding things that we can test to prove/disprove some subset of the rainbow of possibilities?
Should a police officer pick their perp and simply charge them, 'cause their gut told them it was “this guy”, or that they should do the same thing as the scientists and try to envision every single storyline that would explain the known facts and then use that to determine what evidence they would expect to exist for different ways the crime might have unfolded, and as undertaken by different suspects, so that they can go look for that evidence and narrow the options down?
Is it morally wrong for Garrett Lisi to detail his Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything? Should we stop people like him? Should we tell him, “You’re only allowed to postulate one hypothesis and no more!”?
Are you aware of anything that works better by making a priori assumptions and telling people to not review the whole spectrum of possibilities?
Are you saying that Omar marrying her brother has a similar amount of evidence towards it as the theory of relativity does?
No, they shouldn’t. The ones that would would be the ones propagating this theory.
No just because he’s wrong doesn’t make him morally wrong. But, if he were to tell me that I need to do the work to prove him wrong, when he hasn’t done any of the work to prove himself right, then he’d be wrong on how the scientific method works as well.
I heard the other day that you were a murderer. Rather than put any effort into gathering evidence for my proposition, I’m going to demand that you do the work of clearing yourself.