# I'll keep my Trump-voting cousin, if you don't mind **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 13, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183 "2024-11-13T04:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/181 "2024-11-15T18:27:26Z")
You don’t have to travel at all. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/182 "2024-11-15T18:27:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > For what it’s worth, I think the answer was perfectly clear, and one of the most common reasons that people supported Trump, to the extent that I’m unconvinced any request for elaboration is made in good faith. Yep. Czarcasm whines about how unfairly @CairoCarol was treating him by predicting his actions rather than answering his question; then once she did answer his question, he reacted in _precisely_ the way that she predicted. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/183 "2024-11-15T18:28:49Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > It’s funny, but for someone who is very comfortable labeling everyone who voted for Trump as a Nazi, you are the one sounding very much like some erstwhile Hitler youth instructor. > > “Loyalty to the party means everything, family and relations are subservient to your utmost duty to the party. Your family will turn on you. Cast them aside if you think them disloyal to the party line.” Der Trihs is but a horseshoe’s gap away from being a Nazi. It’s no coincidence that they sound so similar. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/184 "2024-11-15T18:31:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You don’t have to travel at all. 👍 😀 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/185 "2024-11-15T18:31:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Der Trihs is but a horseshoe’s gap away from being a Nazi. It’s no coincidence that they sound so similar. Projection on your part. You do have a tendency to think anyone not identical to you is a monster that should be killed. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/186 "2024-11-15T18:36:29Z")
Isn’t it convenient that there is a ruling political party to support those selfish needs. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/187 "2024-11-15T18:42:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You do have a tendency to think anyone not identical to you is a monster that should be killed. Yeah, **I’m** the one who thinks that anyone who doesn’t think like me is a monster. That’s why I made all of these posts: > [@Now what should people on the left do?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-what-should-people-on-the-left-do/1009778/281): > > Self destructive foolishness. Associating with Trumpists and other fascists is dangerous, enabling and highly unpleasant. And loving people who hate you just gets you hurt, emotionally and physically. > [@What will the next era in the USA be like?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-next-era-in-the-usa-be-like/1010274/4): > > Fascist theocracy and the purge of much of the population, followed by genocidal war against the world (probably beginning with a nuclear bombardment of South America and Africa to kill as much of the population as possible), then a nuclear exchange ending in the probably permanent collapse of industrialized civilization. > [@Some of you may disagree with my opinion about many Trump voters, and that's OK](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-of-you-may-disagree-with-my-opinion-about-many-trump-voters-and-thats-ok/1009823/145): > > Everyone who voted for Trump _was_ stupid, ignorant or vile. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Try, “the rest of my life”. I expect to be killed, and for the fascist regime to last until the nation is destroyed. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Hating and fearing Trumpists is the rational position to take. And supported by history. > [@Deportation: What if no country agrees to take them?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deportation-what-if-no-country-agrees-to-take-them/1010097/59): > > It would involve killing brown people, something both he and his followers consider a desirable goal for its own sake > [@Fuck Trump and his followers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/276): > > More like, because they _are_ pro-rape and so voted for the rapist. You can really see from all those posts **I** made to what extent **I** think anyone who disagrees with me is a horrible monster. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/188 "2024-11-15T18:45:05Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yeah, **I’m** the one who thinks that anyone who doesn’t think like me is a monster. That’s why I made all of these posts: How typical, you try to twist disapproval of things like rape, persecution and mass murder into intolerance of anyone difference. Probably because _you_ support all those things, as long as they are aimed at the “correct” targets. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/189 "2024-11-15T18:50:00Z")
In a serious response to this, I have to say that it is up to each one of us to decide how we respond to others who are Trump/MAGA, and that is doubly true for family. In return, were I your wife/girlfriend/whatever, I would expect the same treatment if I chose to stay home for Thanksgiving or accept an invitation to celebrate it with others rather than share my company with people I absolutely don’t to be around. Mutual respect is the key. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/190 "2024-11-15T18:52:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > How typical, you try to twist disapproval of things like rape, persecution and mass murder into intolerance of anyone difference. The problem is that _you_ think that anyone who disagrees with _you_ is a supporter of rape, persecution, and mass murder. Because you’re a brainrotted idiot. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Probably because _you_ support all those things, as long as they are aimed at the “correct” targets. See? There you go. Eta: actually, I take it back - to be brainrotted you need to have had a brain to begin with, and I’ve never seen any credible evidence of that claim. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/191 "2024-11-15T18:53:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The problem is that _you_ think that anyone who disagrees with _you_ is a supporter of rape, persecution, and mass murder. Because you’re a brainrotted idiot. No, because that’s what they vote for, or in your case post in support of. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/192 "2024-11-15T18:54:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, because that’s what they vote for, or in your case post in support of 1. I don’t post in support of Trump 2. most Trump supporters didn’t vote for him because they support rape, persecution, or mass murder. The difference between us is that you want to pretend that they did because it feeds into your masturbatory victim complex, while I would like to win the next election. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/193 "2024-11-15T19:02:26Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > most Trump supporters didn’t vote for him because they support rape, persecution, or mass murder. But, by voting for Trump, they _are_ supporting those things. You can wave your hands and say, “Well, actually they only voted for him because inflation,” or whatever, but the hard fact is that they objectively supported those things by voting for a man who has committed, or has promised to commit, all of that stuff. I’m also curious how you know that “most” Trump supporters don’t support the things he literally campaigned on. I’m prepared to accept that there’s a significant minority of Trump supporters who are just idiots who didn’t realize what they’re voting for, but I’m going to need more evidence than, “Well, my cousin is a Trump supporter, and he’s okay,” before I’m going to buy that _most_ people who voted for the fascist didn’t actually want him to do all the things he’s explicitly promised to do. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/194 "2024-11-15T19:08:32Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I expect to be killed Some of us kind of figured out you felt that way. And suspect that you will stand fast on that whether it takes four years or forty. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/195 "2024-11-15T19:09:23Z")
Again, I ask people to look into what happened in Germany when supposedly “good” Nazis went home to non-Nazi families that just wanted things to be normal…especially after the Party replaced the family as the stronger unit. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/196 "2024-11-15T19:12:39Z")
Bingo. When is it appropriate to blame people for the choices they made? “I don’t really support the bigotry I’m just willing to tolerate it for reasons” is not an acceptable moral argument. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/197 "2024-11-15T19:15:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But, by voting for Trump, they _are_ supporting those things. You can wave your hands and say, “Well, actually they only voted for him because inflation,” or whatever, but the hard fact is that they objectively supported those things by voting for a man who has committed, or has promised to commit, all of that stuff. So you think that 76 million Americans woke up and said, “what this country needs more of us rape, persecution, and mass murder”? You don’t think it’s more likely they were motivated by inflation, the border, etc? If that’s the case, I don’t think we share a reality. Maybe the Dope really is a portal to another dimension. > [@Miller](#): > > I’m also curious how you know that “most” Trump supporters don’t support the things he literally campaigned on. I’m prepared to accept that there’s a significant minority of Trump supporters who are just idiots who didn’t realize what they’re voting for, but I’m going to need more evidence than, “Well, my cousin is a Trump supporter, and he’s okay,” before I’m going to buy that _most_ people who voted for the fascist didn’t actually want him to do all the things he’s explicitly promised to do. I know quite a few Trump supporters, and some have told me why they support Trump. I’ve never heard a single one of them support mass murder, or rape. Some of them are opposed to things like the availability of gender affirming care to minors, which could be perceived as persecution, but even then, these concerns are based on ignorance, not on “we need to put these trans people back in their place”. And from my limited sample, this is a very distant third or fourth reason why people voted for Trump, not a primary cause. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/198 "2024-11-15T19:16:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > most Trump supporters didn’t vote for him because they support rape, persecution, or mass murder. The man said multiple times, in public, on tape, that he thinks the radical left is an enemy of America and that it would be easy to use the military to get rid of us. IDGAF whether or not Trump voters support sending the military to my home to drag me away, they voted for the man who wants it to happen. It occurs to me that during my family event this weekend, if I said that conservatives are destroying my country and armed men should get rid of them, my family would be pissed off at me, even though I’m not going to be Commander in Chief of any armed men, and Trump is. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/199 "2024-11-15T19:16:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Again, I ask people to look into what happened in Germany when supposedly “good” Nazis went home to non-Nazi families that just wanted things to be normal…especially after the Party replaced the family as the stronger unit. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that MAGA isn’t going to be nearly as transformational to American society as Nazism was to German society. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183/200 "2024-11-15T19:19:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I know quite a few Trump supporters, and some have told me why they support Trump. I’ve never heard a single one of them support mass murder, or rape. If only you had said something more believable like “few” instead of “I’ve never heard a single one of them”. If you find it impossible to find the haters, your ability to see what the fuck is going on is either seriously in doubt, or you live an extremely sheltered life. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-keep-my-trump-voting-cousin-if-you-dont-mind/1010183.md?page=11)