# I'll throw you in jail when I become President **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 10, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168 "2016-10-10T18:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/101 "2016-10-12T07:54:50Z")
> [@RenaissanceMan203](#): > > I don’t understand why people are so goddamned blind as to not realize that this buffoon was put in the place that he is in to ensure her election. The Illuminati and the Lizard People between them have enormous experience at handling their flock of humans, and know what they will and will not understand. Only a small proportion of exceptionally perceptive humans like yourself will ever wake up and stop being sheeple and realise what is going on. Our overlords can afford to have a few outliers like yourself around without causing damage to their overall plans (although personally I would be a little reluctant to stand near you during a lightning storm). ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/102 "2016-10-12T12:31:46Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Mishandling Classified Information > > Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act > > Violation of the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) > > [http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/](http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/) Has anyone, ever, gotten jail time for violating the 2009 Federal Records Act or its predecessors? Ditto the FOIA. And while I’m hardly an expert on classified information, I’d bet that Mishandling Classified Information is the sort of thing that’s usually handled by the disciplining or firing of the Federal worker in question. Might even be fined on top of that. But I’d bet nontrivial money that very few Federal workers who are accused of that offense get actual prison time, and if they do, it’s probably because they couldn’t _quite_ be nailed on a much more serious charge, and a plea bargain is made for the lesser offense. In Hillary’s case, the more serious charge seems to be “She’s a witch! Burn her!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/103 "2016-10-12T12:34:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Has anyone, ever, gotten jail time for violating the 2009 Federal Records Act or its predecessors? Ditto the FOIA. > > And while I’m hardly an expert on classified information, I’d bet that Mishandling Classified Information is the sort of thing that’s usually handled by the disciplining or firing of the Federal worker in question. Might even be fined on top of that. But I’d bet nontrivial money that very few Federal workers who are accused of that offense get actual prison time, and if they do, it’s probably because they couldn’t _quite_ be nailed on a much more serious charge, and a plea bargain is made for the lesser offense. > > In Hillary’s case, the more serious charge seems to be “She’s a witch! Burn her!” 🙂 In my experience working with classified info (5 years military active duty, 10 years military civilian), mishandling classified info is _incredibly_ common (probably happens multiple times a day on the single base in which I work), and is handled with re-training and other disciplinary measures, and _never_ prosecution unless done deliberately for reasons of profit, for spying, to leak to journalists, etc. Carelessness and boneheaded mistakes are never prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/104 "2016-10-12T12:40:30Z")
To be fair, most of the delusional paranoids are probably voting for Trump anyway. Hey, remember that time Trump said he wanted to change [the laws so that he could sue anyone who criticized him](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/donald-trump-vows-to-open-up-libel-laws-to-make-suing-the-media-easier-heres-how-he-could-do-it/)? Good times, good times… And naturally he’ll do it all within the law, just like he’ll investigate his political enemies within the bounds of the law. Nothing to worry about there at all. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/105 "2016-10-12T15:55:39Z")
> [@RenaissanceMan203](#): > > I don’t understand why people are so goddamned blind as to not realize that this buffoon was put in the place that he is in to ensure her election. C’mon, dude, at least throw in a “sheeple” or a “wake up.” Or for that classical vibe, “Wake up, sheeple!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/106 "2016-10-12T15:56:42Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Mishandling Classified Information > > Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act > > Violation of the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) > > [http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/](http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/) Convince your peeps to bring up charges. Why haven’t they investigated this? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/107 "2016-10-12T16:02:55Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > C’mon, dude, at least throw in a “sheeple” or a “wake up.” Or for that classical vibe, “Wake up, sheeple!” [Too dangerous](https://xkcd.com/1013/). ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/108 "2016-10-12T16:35:37Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Mishandling Classified Information > > Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act > > Violation of the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) > > [http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/](http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/) Even if we assume she did violate them, what section, specifically, of the FOIA or the Federal Records Act provides for jail time or other criminal sanctions? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/109 "2016-10-13T01:16:40Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Excuse me? Trump has said he will “go after their families” of terrorists and “bring back things worse than water boarding”. A lot like the Israelis have done to counter Palestinian terrorists and others. Works for me. I like the idea of ramping it up. Taking it to them in terms of hitting them where it hurts and making those that want to slaughter us think before they act. That it would have consequences. Something, anything, other than what’s been done so far. It’s ineffective. What you don’t get and what amazes me is you and the broader Democrats take anything he says completely literally - no other reading or incorporation of ideas allowed. What he’s said is written in stone. What he wants to do he couldn’t do in a vacuum. It has to get passed and agreed to by both parties, or at least with their participation in creating the rules. Rules that need to be changed in response to the actions of those against us. No different then any other candidates promises - no chance in Hell any of them will be passed or implemented as said. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/110 "2016-10-13T01:19:04Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > Even if we assume she did violate them, what section, specifically, of the FOIA or the Federal Records Act provides for jail time or other criminal sanctions? In other words what she did wasn’t wrong? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/111 "2016-10-13T01:25:43Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > In other words what she did wasn’t wrong? Never said that. There’s wrong and there’s criminal level wrong. make your case that what she did was criminal level wrong. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/112 "2016-10-13T01:52:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Never said that. There’s wrong and there’s criminal level wrong. make your case that what she did was criminal level wrong. I’m not a lawyer so it’d be a waste of my time. I’m going off what the Clinton’s have done and said in the past and how that seems to be how they do things now in the present - use every angle they can to obfuscate, delay, and misrepresent their actions. It’s my impression from their past and now that they’re people that can’t and shouldn’t be taken at their word, because a word can mean a thousand different things to them, when it’s convenient or in their best interest to do so. I grudgingly accept that she won’t be charged for her misuse of classified information, and/or the various laws around it. But I don’t for a second believe her power, money, and connections were in large part why she got off. And if Trump were in office that wouldn’t have happened. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/113 "2016-10-13T01:54:19Z")
So your only defense is “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”? Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/114 "2016-10-13T02:05:15Z")
[Trump wants to throw Hillary’s lawyers in jail, too.](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-says-hell-imprison-hillary-clintons-lawyers-too) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/115 "2016-10-13T02:16:13Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > In other words what she did wasn’t wrong? You provided that list as an answer to “what laws she should be in prison for breaking[?]” I’m tired of hearing that Hillary should be locked up because emails, especially when I hear it from people who are unable to even remember the connection their favorite right-wing radio shock jock drew between the emails and the possibility of prison time. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/116 "2016-10-13T02:23:14Z")
One wonders if the people who want to throw Hillary into jail want to throw Karl Rove into jail, too, for deleting all of those Bush emails. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/117 "2016-10-13T02:31:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So your only defense is “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”? > > Sad. What’s sad is how you can’t or willfully won’t understand what another person is trying to say without it being broken down into incy teeny tiny pieces and spoon-fed to your sphincter’d head. Unless that’s simply a tactic, in which case it’s lame. [QUOTE=running coach] make your case that what she did was criminal level wrong. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/118 "2016-10-13T02:37:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So your only defense is “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”? > > Sad. Picture him waving his arm spastically and saying “I don’t know what I said. I don’t remember”. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/119 "2016-10-13T02:39:29Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I’m not a lawyer so it’d be a waste of my time. I’m going off what the Clinton’s have done and said in the past and how that seems to be how they do things now in the present - use every angle they can to obfuscate, delay, and misrepresent their actions. It’s my impression from their past and now that they’re people that can’t and shouldn’t be taken at their word, because a word can mean a thousand different things to them, when it’s convenient or in their best interest to do so. > > I grudgingly accept that she won’t be charged for her misuse of classified information, and/or the various laws around it. But I don’t for a second believe her power, money, and connections were in large part why she got off. And if Trump were in office that wouldn’t have happened. You admit you don’t know the law, so why do you keep throwing the law around as The Reason for Hillary=bad, Trump=good? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168/120 "2016-10-13T02:52:47Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You provided that list as an answer to “what laws she should be in prison for breaking” To clarify the list and better explain it than I can or could, and because it didn’t touch on what I found to be the bigger illegalities of what she did, I’ll add a better list. 1. The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records. 2. The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained “by the agency,” that they should be “readily found” and that the records must “make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress.” 3. Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. “Knowingly” removing or housing classified information at an “unauthorized location” is subject to a fine or a year in prison. > **[Fact Check: Hillary Clinton, Those Emails And The Law](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law)** > > A top Republican senator charged that Hillary Clinton "probably" broke the law with her use of private emails as secretary of state. But it's not likely to be so clear. I think she used her power, prestige, and connections to influence an outcome that anyone else not in her position would have faced - jail. Trump’s saying that wouldn’t take place under his watch, ie it wouldn’t have been biased in her favor. Not that on day one of his Presidency she’d be in jail, as I think some here are implying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ill-throw-you-in-jail-when-i-become-president/768168.md?page=7)