# Illegitimate babies born to poor, black, single, inner-city women in South are "endangered species"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 30, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323 "2011-10-30T22:21:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snow\_Pea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Snow\_Pea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snow_Pea)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/1 "2011-10-30T22:21:44Z")
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-says-he-opposes-abortion-in-all-cases-\_-no-exceptions/2011/10/30/gIQA2brJWM\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-says-he-opposes-abortion-in-all-cases-_-no-exceptions/2011/10/30/gIQA2brJWM_story.html) Who IS this guy’s audience? Cuz I can’t imagine too many republicans, especially white southern ones responding with anything other than a “WTF”? 😕 Isn’t the birth rate for that demographic significantly higher than almost any other group in the US? And don’t most poor southern blacks vote democrat? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/2 "2011-10-30T22:28:52Z")
Sounds like it is either a misunderstanding on Cain’s part, or a deliberate lie in order to whip up support. Either way it makes him look like even more of a doofus. > [@](#): > > Cain said 75 percent of the organization’s abortion facilities were built in black communities. > > “In Margaret Sanger’s own words, she didn’t use the word genocide, but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born,” Cain said. > > But Planned Parenthood disputed Cain’s claims, citing a study by the Guttmacher Institute that found that fewer than one in 10 abortion clinics are in in predominantly African-American neighborhoods. > > “Herman Cain is wrong on the facts and clearly out of the mainstream in his attack on Planned Parenthood,” spokeswoman Veronica Byrd said in a statement. ---
**Author:** ![Snow\_Pea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Snow\_Pea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snow_Pea)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/3 "2011-10-30T22:32:54Z")
Could a mod please edit my title for me? It needs to include the word Black (women), in order to accurately describe the subject matter and article being discussed. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/4 "2011-10-30T23:17:03Z")
He’s trying too woo black voters. “Out” racist Republicans are not going to vote for him anyway. The rest of the Republican Party doesn’t think they are racist, whether they actually are or not. Many will applaud this talking point because doing so will make them feel non-racist AND it doesn’t cost them anything. But it just begs the question (among the thinking public, that is). If we have more unplanned pregnancies among poor women, we will have more high-risk births and more children needing special services. Not to mention more WIC and social welfare programs. How does this square with a small, no-frills government? Will these families be ignored? These people don’t know what “trade-off” means. You can’t be “pro-life” and then talk about poor people dragging down society. You just can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/5 "2011-10-30T23:18:43Z")
You must be a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Snow\_Pea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Snow\_Pea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snow_Pea)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/6 "2011-10-30T23:31:10Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > He’s trying too woo black voters. Which ones though? I would guess that most black conservative voters are just as against promiscuity and the resulting epidemic of unplanned pregnancies amount young blacks as white ones are against the same in young white people. We taxpayers end up footing the bill for these kids/mothers no matter what race they are/ This is just going to piss off black conservatives. And black democrats aren’t voting republican. So, who is left? Pissing off white racists? What’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/7 "2011-10-30T23:37:11Z")
Ironically it should be noted Margaret Sanger was pro-life > [@](#): > > While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/8 "2011-10-30T23:41:09Z")
> [@Snow\_Pea](#): > > This is just going to piss off black conservatives. Is it? > [@](#): > > And black democrats aren’t voting republican. No, but Black conservatives do. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/9 "2011-10-30T23:57:02Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > You must be a racist. Dropping this turd into the thread with neither a context nor even a specific poster as its target is not appropriate. If you want to attempt irony, at least make an effort at coherence. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/10 "2011-10-31T00:15:31Z")
> [@Snow\_Pea](#): > > Which ones though? I would guess that most black conservative voters are just as against promiscuity and the resulting epidemic of unplanned pregnancies amount young blacks as white ones are against the same in young white people. We taxpayers end up footing the bill for these kids/mothers no matter what race they are/ > > This is just going to piss off black conservatives. > > And black democrats aren’t voting republican. > > So, who is left? Pissing off white racists? What’s the point? Well, I’m not guessing that black conservatives will need much persuading to vote Republican, which is pretty well-known its a “pro-life, no matter who” stance. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/11 "2011-10-31T00:16:29Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Ironically it should be noted Margaret Sanger was pro-life > > > [@](#): > > > > While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization Why am I just certain that that quote is completely out of context? > [@](#): > > … While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization. > The effects of such operations upon a woman, serious as they may be, are nothing as compared to the injury done her general health by drugs taken to produce the same result. Even such drugs as are prescribed by physicians have harmful effects, and nostrums recommended by druggists are often worse still. > Even more drastic may be the effect upon the unborn child, for many women fill their systems with poisonous drugs during the first weeks of their pregnancy, only to decide at last, when drugs have failed, as they usually do, to bring the child to birth. > There are no statistics, of course, by which we may compute the amount of suffering to mother and child from the use of such drugs, but we know that the total of physical weakness and disease must be astounding. We know that the woman’s own system feels the strain of these drugs and that the embryo is usually poisoned by them. The child is likely to be rickety, have heart trouble, kidney disorder, or to be generally weak in its powers of resistance. If it does not die before it reaches its first year, it is probable that it will have to struggle against some of these weaknesses until its adolescent period. > It needs no assertion of mine to call attention to the grim fact that the laws prohibiting the imparting of information concerning the preventing of conception are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year in this country and an untold amount of sickness and sorrow. The suffering and the death of these women is squarely upon the heads of the lawmakers and the puritanical, masculine-minded person who insist upon retaining the abominable legal restrictions. > Try as they will they cannot escape the truth, nor hide it under the cloak of stupid hypocrisy. If the laws against imparting knowledge of scientific birth control were repealed, nearly all of the 1,000,000 or 2,000,000 women who undergo abortions in the United States each year would escape the agony of the surgeon’s instruments and the long trail of disease, suffering and death which so often follows. > “He who would combat abortion,” says Dr. Hirsch, “and at the same time combat contraceptive measures may be likened to the person who would fight contagious diseases and forbid disinfection. For contraceptive measures are important weapons in the fight against abortion. > “America has a law since 1873 which prohibits by criminal statute the distribution and regulation of contraceptive measures. It follows, therefore, that America stands at the head of all nations in the huge number of abortions.” > There is the case in a nutshell. Family limitation will always be practiced as it is now being practiced—either by birth control or by abortion. We know that. The one means health and happiness—a stronger, better race. The other means disease, suffering, death. > The woman who goes to the abortionist’s table is not a criminal but a martyr—a martyr to the bitter, unthinkable conditions brought about by the blindness of society at large. These conditions give her the choice between the surgeon’s instruments and the sacrificing of what is highest and holiest in her—her aspiration to freedom, her desire to protect the children already hers. These conditions not the woman—outface society with this question: > “Contraceptives or Abortion—which shall it be?” > > Margaret Sanger (1879–1966). _Woman and the New Race_. 1920. Chapter X. _Contraceptives or Abortion?_ > [Contraceptives or Abortion? - Collection at Bartleby.com](http://www.bartleby.com/1013/10.html) Yup, the abortions were a disgrace to civilization because they could have very easily been made completely unnecessary if contraceptives were legal at the time. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Snow\_Pea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Snow\_Pea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snow_Pea)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/12 "2011-10-31T00:22:24Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Well, I’m not guessing that black conservatives will need much persuading to vote Republican, which is pretty well-known its a “pro-life, no matter who” stance. Right, but then he shoots himself in the foot hitching his carriage to the whole “endangered black babies” campaign. Not addressing the rightness or wrongness of this, I wager that most conservatives no matter what race, do NOT want MORE poor out-of-wedlock babies adding to the tax burden, crime rate and prisons in the US. I think most will see that and go “WTF, this guy wants MORE of 'em? Screw that”. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/13 "2011-10-31T00:29:39Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Dropping this turd into the thread with neither a context nor even a specific poster as its target is not appropriate. > If you want to attempt irony, at least make an effort at coherence. > > [/Moderating] I wasn’t being ironic. I was being 100% serious and it was to the guy posting before me since he wanted to mention racism. Edit: And, really? I get modded for that? I’ve seen plenty of accusations of racism get thrown around in GD without people being modded for it. A little consistency would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/14 "2011-10-31T00:45:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Why am I just certain that that quote is completely out of context?Yup, the abortions were a disgrace to civilization because they could have very easily been made completely unnecessary if contraceptives were legal at the time. > > CMC fnord! And I completely agree with legalized contraceptives ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/15 "2011-10-31T12:40:43Z")
I think that its an excellent idea to make all abortion illegal. That way we can bring back the good old days of “Back street abortions”, or even the "Do it yourself"abortions with all that entails. Thats really going to help women in trouble. But being serious, how on Earth does this man expect to get elected ? Is he doing this for a bet or something ? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/16 "2011-10-31T12:47:56Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > And I completely agree with legalized contraceptives You know that literally every single person on the planet is anti-abortion, right? Nobody wants there to be more abortions. So, your cite that she thinks that so many, unnecessary, abortions are a bad thing does not support your claim that she was pro-life. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/17 "2011-10-31T12:53:59Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > And black democrats aren’t voting republican. > > No, but Black conservatives do. No; thanks to the long standing, well known racism of the Republican party as a rule black conservatives vote Democrat, vote third party, or they don’t vote. Most of them aren’t foolish enough to vote their enemies into office. This is why blacks despite as a group leaning more conservative than average heavily support the Democrats. The same goes for conservative members of racial/ethnic minorities in general; regardless of their conservatism, the deep bigotry of the Republicans drives them into the arms of the Democrats in self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/18 "2011-10-31T12:55:02Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I wasn’t being ironic. I was being 100% serious and it was to the guy posting before me since he wanted to mention racism. > > Edit: And, really? I get modded for that? I’ve seen plenty of accusations of racism get thrown around in GD without people being modded for it. A little consistency would be nice. The “guy” before you is a black chick. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/19 "2011-10-31T14:05:12Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > But being serious, how on Earth does this man expect to get elected ? This is America, Jack. We don’t stick our crazies in Hyde Park and institutions when they want to talk about how to save the country; we put them on the cable news networks. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323/20 "2011-10-31T16:10:25Z")
> [@Snow\_Pea](#): > > Could a mod please edit my title for me? It needs to include the word Black (women), in order to accurately describe the subject matter and article being discussed. Thanks. It might also help with accuracy if it leaves out “illegitimate,” “poor,” “single,” and “inner-city.” 'Cos, you know, the idiot doesn’t actually mention those in the quotes attributed to him. Disapprove of him all you want. I totally agree with you on that. But don’t add in superfluous bullshit just to make him look and sound worse. He sounds bad enough without the accessories, and those just give ammunition to the bad guys (that would be the people who support him). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illegitimate-babies-born-to-poor-black-single-inner-city-women-in-south-are-endangered-species/601323.md?page=2)