# Illinois Police Killing...Anyone Else Getting a Weird Vibe? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731 "2015-09-02T19:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tuesdayweld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@tuesdayweld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tuesdayweld)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/21 "2015-09-02T21:29:13Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > That’s the area being described as wooded and rural. I happen to live a couple of towns over from Fox Lake, IL. Lake County, IL has done a fairly respectable job of protecting open spaces, forested land, etc… - so these very northern suburbs of Chicago can simultaneously feel very rural and condensed with McMansions and big box stores. Add in all of the lakes to this picture and it seems very spread out and open (to me). As for the question of there being any big unsolved crimes in the area - none that I’m aware of. Yet, I would not go so far as to agree that the police forces in these areas have much opportunity to be bored. Generally, many “wealthy” towns here are bordered by a “poverty” town - a true modern day representation of Americana landscape. Anyhow, cops seem to stay busy. Fox Lake is working class (with maybe some old money still hanging around) - and where the boating class put their boats in the water when they aren’t in the mood for Lake Michigan or the drive up to Lake Geneva. Hope that helps shed some light on the area being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/22 "2015-09-02T21:37:59Z")
> [@tuesdayweld](#): > > I happen to live a couple of towns over from Fox Lake, IL. Lake County, IL has done a fairly respectable job of protecting open spaces, forested land, etc… - so these very northern suburbs of Chicago can simultaneously feel very rural and condensed with McMansions and big box stores. Add in all of the lakes to this picture and it seems very spread out and open (to me). > > As for the question of there being any big unsolved crimes in the area - none that I’m aware of. Yet, I would not go so far as to agree that the police forces in these areas have much opportunity to be bored. Generally, many “wealthy” towns here are bordered by a “poverty” town - a true modern day representation of Americana landscape. Anyhow, cops seem to stay busy. > > Fox Lake is working class (with maybe some old money still hanging around) - and where the boating class put their boats in the water when they aren’t in the mood for Lake Michigan or the drive up to Lake Geneva. > > Hope that helps shed some light on the area being discussed. This is a very good description! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/23 "2015-09-02T21:43:09Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > He saw the suspects at the closed cement plant and when he approached them to ask them what they were doing, they bolted. For illustration, that would be [here](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Prairie+Material+-+Yard+23/@42.3868537,-88.1726711,836m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!1m3!3m2!1s0x0:0x2dd229ef90a4068b!2sPrairie+Material+-+Yard+23!3m1!1s0x0:0x2dd229ef90a4068b!6m1!1e1). > [@Missy2U](#): > > Yes. Even the news reports HERE (newspapers, television, radio, etc.) all have different stories - I am only going by what I’ve seen that has been officially released by the FLPD. Unless, of course, FoxNews says a traffic stop means the office stopped and got out of his car while traffic was somewhere close by. > > Let me clarify - a traffic stops infers that the officer pulled them over - that didn’t happen. At least not according to the FLPD. Okay, Fox News is being stupid again. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/24 "2015-09-02T22:27:30Z")
OP, I think you have a TV/movie conception of police activity. Cops see millions of situations every year which are suspicious. The substantial majority of the time there is a reasonable explanation. For example a cop sees someone trying to get into your garage, OP. It looks suspicious so the cop checks–and it turns out to be you. For the substantial majority of the rest of the time it’s going to turn out to be a minor crime for which the cop will most often just give a warning, but sometime a ticket (the suspicious activity turns out to be a homeless guy or a teenage couple engaging in hanky panky). It’s only going to be a very, very small percentage of these suspicious activities which are serious crimes–and thus justify backup. As to why the 400 cops didn’t find anyone it was probably because it took a significant amount of time for them to show up. As to why the murderer killed the cop it was a spur of the moment decision like most murders. He didn’t want to go to jail say for drug dealing, so just shot the cop without thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/25 "2015-09-02T22:40:49Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > OP, I think you have a TV/movie conception of police activity. Cops see millions of situations every year which are suspicious. The substantial majority of the time there is a reasonable explanation. For example a cop sees someone trying to get into your garage, OP. It looks suspicious so the cop checks–and it turns out to be you. For the substantial majority of the rest of the time it’s going to turn out to be a minor crime for which the cop will most often just give a warning, but sometime a ticket (the suspicious activity turns out to be a homeless guy or a teenage couple engaging in hanky panky). It’s only going to be a very, very small percentage of these suspicious activities which are serious crimes–and thus justify backup. Except it was three guys actively running away into an, albeit small, wooded area. Plus, according to the dispatch tapes, he turned down backup. > [@](#): > > As to why the 400 cops didn’t find anyone it was probably because it took a significant amount of time for them to show up. They called in every available officer from the entire county as soon as they found the shot policeman. > [@](#): > > As to why the murderer killed the cop it was a spur of the moment decision like most murders. He didn’t want to go to jail say for drug dealing, so just shot the cop without thinking. That’s a big assumption plus it leaves two guys who didn’t shoot anyone free to peel off and turn themselves in, as analysts on TV are urging them to do. ---
**Author:** ![tuesdayweld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@tuesdayweld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tuesdayweld)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/26 "2015-09-02T22:55:05Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > plus it leaves two guys who didn’t shoot anyone free to peel off and turn themselves in, as analysts on TV are urging them to do. My guess is the two who didn’t shoot are likely now deceased (or very soon to be). Why would the shooter not tie up those loose ends? ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/27 "2015-09-03T00:45:08Z")
Lamar, please get your damn facts straight. Or at least post the ENTIRE truth about the dispatch tapes, what was said, and quit picking and choosing sound bites to make some obscure point - the officer DID ask for back up. It’s on the tapes. I don’t know what point you’re trying to prove with this nonsense - but it would be nice if you at least reported facts and not your personal spin. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/28 "2015-09-03T03:39:09Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Don’t be an idiot. :rolleyes: Don’t call other posters names outside of the Pit. You have been here long enough to know that. Do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/29 "2015-09-03T03:57:57Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Don’t call other posters names outside of the Pit. You have been here long enough to know that. Do not do this again. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/30 "2015-09-03T11:29:48Z")
Disclaimer: those living in the area are probably getting more (more but maybe not accurate) reports than I am. I am answering in generalities from my own personal experience. > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > The lack of a decent description of the suspects, How far was he from the suspects when he saw them? What did he get a chance to say? More often than not when a foot pursuit begins you get out a quick transmission like “Foot pursuit 2 white males one black male heading north.” That gets people moving to your location. When you get a minute to spare you stop and give out a more detailed description to include ages, clothing, hair type etc. The officer may not have gotten a chance to give out a better description or maybe there is information they are not yet releasing to the public. > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > a 20 year veteran of the police force chasing three unknown men into a marshy field without backup, What would you have him do? In my experience once you lose sight of the suspects it is nearly impossible to catch anyone. It’s not like TV where they always seem to figure out where someone ran off to. I have lost people after literally losing sight of them for 15 seconds or less. If he let them go until someone else arrived he might as well have just kept driving and not call it out. He may not have been able to apprehend three people by himself but getting one is better than none. Or at least he could keep them in sight until others arrived. > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > almost total lack of leads despite an overwhelming manhunt, They set up a perimeter and had to meticulously search the entire area. I have almost missed someone hiding in brush after I almost stepped on him. It is not as easy as it looks on TV. It takes a lot of manpower and time. And there is never any guarantee that they didn’t get out of the area a minute before the cordon closed. But you still have to look and make sure they aren’t hiding under a kiddy pool. And then you have [this to worry about which saps manpower](http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-charged-falsifying-report-amid-manhunt-fox-lake/story?id=33500112). > [@](#): > > According to a Lake County Sheriff’s Office press release, Kristin B. Kiefer, 30, called police at 9:20 p.m. Wednesday to report that two men approached her car in the town of Volo, but later fled into a cornfield. > > Kiefer later admitted that she fabricated the account, the sheriff’s office said, because “she wanted attention from a family where she was employed as a nanny.” > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > three guys vanishing in six minutes, etc. 6 minutes is a long time. I was pursuing a guy on foot and he turned the corner around a fence and when I caught up it was like a magic trick. Poof gone. We never found him. I was less than 10 seconds behind him. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/31 "2015-09-03T23:31:05Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Yea I had events in the timeline mixed up, nothing to see here. Somebody got busted! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/32 "2015-09-04T00:08:08Z")
> [@grude](#): > > So a cop says he saw three guy acting “fishy” and they call in the freaking cavalry to search for them?!? > > Wow must be nice to have that kind of boredom among law enforcement, in a major US city I lived in if you called cops for three guys acting suspicious they would say FU call us when they kill someone, it took 2 hours to get a cop out to take a burglary report for insurance purposes. This is a pet peeve of mine. “My house got robbed” is not an emergency\*. In a large town/city/county, they’ll get there when they get there. In Milwaukee, as well, I’ve heard many people say it can take hours before they’ll show up to take the report. Though I highly doubt the dispatcher said ‘FU’. However, tell them your house is actively being burglarized, that you just got home and see a window smashed in, you can hear at least two people inside and there’s a car backed up to the front door and you’re likely to have cops there in considerably less than 2 hours. (FTR, I’m not saying you should do that, I’m saying that if your house was being robbed, that would be an emergency and they’d respond in kind). I know it sucks to have to wait a few hours for the cops to show up after a traumatic experience, but ‘something happened while I was at work for 8 hours and I just found out about it’ isn’t an emergency’. But if you don’t like it, move to a smaller town. In my city, I can call in a ‘non-emergency’ that requires the police and I’ll have them here in minutes, often times multiple cars. \*Though, to be safe, I personally probably wouldn’t go inside until the police arrived just in case someone was still in there. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/33 "2015-09-04T02:22:49Z")
Is anyone else still confused as hell about the the OP is rambling on about? “Strange vibe”? “I hope I’m wrong”? “I mean no harm to anyone”? Maybe I’m just dense. Or maybe the OP should stop pussyfooting around whatever it is s/he is trying to say. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/34 "2015-09-04T12:19:22Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > “Strange vibe”? “I hope I’m wrong”? “I mean no harm to anyone”? “Black helicopters got Lieutenant Joe”? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/35 "2015-09-04T14:14:48Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Is anyone else still confused as hell about the the OP is rambling on about? > > “Strange vibe”? “I hope I’m wrong”? “I mean no harm to anyone”? > > Maybe I’m just dense. Or maybe the OP should stop pussyfooting around whatever it is s/he is trying to say. > mmm Anyone else getting a weird vibe from this OP? It started with a veteran police officer being killed while supposedly investigating three suspicious men. Then right away, some anonymous guy shows up on a message board and starts talking about the “weird vibe” he gets from the reporting on the incident and asking a bunch of questions, saying he doesn’t have an alternate theory but clearly implying that he thinks the story is false. Why would someone do that? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/36 "2015-09-04T21:22:42Z")
Press: “Has the police officers death been ruled a homicide?” Police: “No comment.” Press: Was he killed by his own weapon? The one that was taken by the killers but then found a few feet away from the body?" Police: “No comment.” Press:“What’s this about a video of the suspects?” Police: “We have one from a security camera.” Press: “Can we see it? We can show it to potentially ten thousand helpful witnesses.” Po;ice: “No” Press: Why not?" Police: “No comment.” ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/37 "2015-09-04T21:55:18Z")
Is that proper procedure? To chase after multiple suspects without backup? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/38 "2015-09-04T23:13:39Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Press: “Has the police officers death been ruled a homicide?” Police: “No comment.” > > Press: Was he killed by his own weapon? The one that was taken by the killers but then found a few feet away from the body?" Police: “No comment.” > > Press:“What’s this about a video of the suspects?” Police: “We have one from a security camera.” Press: “Can we see it? We can show it to potentially ten thousand helpful witnesses.” Po;ice: “No” Press: Why not?" Police: “No comment.” Is that an actual quote in your quotes or are you speculating? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/39 "2015-09-04T23:17:44Z")
I do think there’s an awful lot going on WRT this that the authorities know, and aren’t telling us. That they have absolutely no idea who did it, beyond some vague descriptions, makes this especially puzzling. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731/40 "2015-09-04T23:22:56Z")
Seems to me a lot more than “no comment” is being said. And there are further videos that may have addition clues. > **[More videos, DNA analyzed in Fox Lake manhunt](https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-fox-lake-police-shooting-search-st-0905-20150904-story.html)** > > Lake County authorities announced that several additional video tapes are now being analyzed in the pursuit of three men suspected of killing Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz. > **[Authorities Analyze 'Significant' Footage in Fox Lake Cop Shooting](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-analyze-significant-footage-fox-lake-cop-shooting-n421197)** > > A Homeland Security lab is using special technology to view the surveillance hard drive and could finish analyzing it as early as Thursday evening. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illinois-police-killing-anyone-else-getting-a-weird-vibe/729731.md?page=3)