# Illuminati vs. Jesus \[a debate about evolution\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889 "2012-07-11T12:55:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/521 "2012-07-15T05:19:49Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > What makes him an authority to be listened to? > > [Organic compounds (including amino acids)created in lab.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment) > And to save you the trouble. Ah Miller/Urey. They filtered the experiment, removed any oxygen, and only came up with 2 out of 22 amino acids. And they lacked any chirality. They failed. Notice how almost nobody has tried since. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/522 "2012-07-15T05:22:44Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Ah Miller/Urey. They filtered the experiment, removed any oxygen, and only came up with 2 out of 22 amino acids. And they lacked any chirality. They failed. Notice how almost nobody has tried since. You didn’t read that at all. They made more than twenty amino acids. Frankly, making one amino acid would prove the process. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/523 "2012-07-15T05:23:57Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Dawkins covers this elegantly in “Climbing Mount Improbable.” > > Henry Morris makes the same error you do, in insisting that DNA arrive all in one step, without any intermediate steps. He calculates the total number of possible DNA strings, then, without the least justification, divides “1” by this number, and claims that as the “probability” of DNA arising. > > (There are 7 billion people on earth; thus, the probability, per Morris, of my existence is one in 7,000,000,000. Pretty slim odds. Miraculous! So much for Morris.) If you cite dawkins, I cite HOVIND. DNA is strill unexplainable to you. You know sexual reproduction is the only method for passsing genes to offspring, right? ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/524 "2012-07-15T05:24:58Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > You didn’t read that at all. They made more than twenty amino acids. Frankly, making one amino acid would prove the process. Cite that!!! Please. And they need to have chirality. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/525 "2012-07-15T05:26:34Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > I dint talk about my banning until it was told to me. Nobody said anything about banning you. The post about insults that you quoted was a warning _to someone_ else not to insult _you_. I am not sure what caused you to start blustering about the mods insulting and possibly banning you – > [@reef\_shark](#): > > I know you would love to get an excuse to ban me though. I will still be back though. But since the mods didn’t insult you and we weren’t talking about banning you, I suggest you just stop. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/526 "2012-07-15T05:27:30Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > If you cite dawkins, I cite HOVIND. DNA is strill unexplainable to you. You know sexual reproduction is the only method for passsing genes to offspring, right? That should come as surprising news to all those plant and animal species that reproduce asexually. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/527 "2012-07-15T05:27:53Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Nobody said anything about banning you. The post about insults that you quoted was a warning _to someone_ else not to insult _you_. I am not sure what caused you to start blustering about the mods insulting and possibly banning you – > > But since the mods didn’t insult you and we weren’t talking about banning you, I suggest you just stop. If thats the case then i apologize. I dont want to be banned. It doesnt help me at all. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/528 "2012-07-15T05:28:19Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Where was it rebutted? You quoted a post from **iiandyiiii** that dealt with this issue already. As a bit of friendly advice I’ll tell you you’d be better off just posting cites. You’ll have a hard time getting people to sit there and watch a YouTube video. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/529 "2012-07-15T05:29:04Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > That should come as surprising news to all those plant and animal species that reproduce asexually. Which animals reproduce asexually??? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/530 "2012-07-15T05:29:55Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > If you cite dawkins, I cite HOVIND. DNA is strill unexplainable to you. You know sexual reproduction is the only method for passsing genes to offspring, right? Yeast. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/531 "2012-07-15T05:29:56Z")
> [@reef shark](#): > > > [@Der Trihs](#): > > > > Nor did I say it was. DNA wasn’t “created”; it evolved from simple to highly complex over billions of years. > > Cite please? Cite the word ‘cite’ please, thank you. God bless. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/532 "2012-07-15T05:30:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You quoted a post from **iiandyiiii** that dealt with this issue already. As a bit of friendly advice I’ll tell you you’d be better off just posting cites. You’ll have a hard time getting people to sit there and watch a YouTube video. I know. 1 hour youtube videos usually get closed right away. But theres info there, im doing what I can. I cant explain it better than missler. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/533 "2012-07-15T05:32:03Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Yeast. Are you comparing a bacteria to a human? ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/534 "2012-07-15T05:32:16Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Which animals reproduce asexually??? > **[Asexual reproduction | Examples in animals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction#Examples_in_animals)** > > Asexual reproduction is found in nearly half of the animal phyla. Parthenogenesis occurs in the hammerhead shark and the blacktip shark. In both cases, the sharks had reached sexual maturity in captivity in the absence of males, and in both cases the offspring were shown to be genetically identical to the mothers. The New Mexico whiptail is another example. > Some reptiles use the ZW sex-determination system, which produces either males (with ZZ sex chromosomes) or females (with ZW or WW sex chrom... Took me less than a minute to google that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/535 "2012-07-15T05:33:04Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Cite that!!! Please. And they need to have chirality. Check the sources in the Wiki article. Explain why chirality has anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/536 "2012-07-15T05:33:18Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > If thats the case then i apologize. I dont want to be banned. It doesnt help me at all. Who was that other person though?? That was insulting me, that the mod was talking about? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/537 "2012-07-15T05:34:27Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Are you comparing a bacteria to a human? Yeast are not bacteria. And yes, I do compare some humans to bacteria. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/538 "2012-07-15T05:34:30Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Check the sources in the Wiki article. > > Explain why chirality has anything to do with it. > **[Chirality (chemistry)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry))** > > In chemistry, a molecule or ion is called chiral (/ˈkaɪrəl/) if it cannot be superposed on its mirror image by any combination of rotations, translations, and some conformational changes. This geometric property is called chirality (/kaɪˈrælɪti/). The terms are derived from Ancient Greek χείρ (cheir) 'hand'; which is the canonical example of an object with this property. > A chiral molecule or ion exists in two stereoisomers that are mirror images of each other, called enantiomers; they are often ... ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/539 "2012-07-15T05:34:48Z")
> [@reef\_shark](#): > > Who was that other person though?? That was insulting me, that the mod was talking about? You do know you could go back and look, right? ---
**Author:** ![reef\_shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@reef\_shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reef_shark)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889/540 "2012-07-15T05:36:26Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > [Asexual reproduction - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction#Examples_in_animals) > > Took me less than a minute to google that. LOL I know about the reef shark. > **[Hammerhead shark | Reproduction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerhead_shark#Reproduction)** > > Reproduction occurs only once a year for hammerhead sharks, and usually occurs with the male shark biting the female shark violently until she agrees to mate with him. The hammerhead sharks exhibit a viviparous mode of reproduction with females giving birth to live young. Like other sharks, fertilization is internal, with the male transferring sperm to the female through one of two intromittent organs called claspers. The developing embryos are at first sustained by a yolk sac. When the suppl In ... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/illuminati-vs-jesus-a-debate-about-evolution/627889.md?page=28)