# I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel, **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 29, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553 "2006-07-29T16:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/1 "2006-07-29T16:40:50Z")
. . . [therefore I’m going to kill some Jews in Seattle](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060729/ts_nm/crime_shooting_dc_6). OK, so you’re pissed at Israel. And, you know something, even as a diehard Isarael supporter, I’m also none too pleased with Israel’s response to the latest unprovoked attack it’s endured. But, WTF, how does murdering a lady from Seattle figure into this? Could it be that, at least in your case, Israel = Jew? Fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/2 "2006-07-29T17:09:38Z")
I’m not saying it’s any kind of defense for this atrocity. I am appalled that anyone felt it was justified. I’m just saying this up front. The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle had just recently staged a pro-Isreal rally, pledging moral support for Isreal’s actions in Lebanon. So, given the attacker’s statement that he was angry at Isreal, I can see how this worthless excuse for a human being could have logically concluded that he was angry specifically at the people he shot in Seattle. Personally, I hope they lock him up for good. I don’t agree with Isreal’s actions, but I don’t think that it’s reasonable to fear lethal repraisals if someone were to say publicly that they did support Isreal (or anything else, really.) ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/3 "2006-07-29T21:01:16Z")
I think this guy should be given his chance to die for Allah . . . via needle. ---
**Author:** ![shizaru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@shizaru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shizaru)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/4 "2006-07-30T20:27:53Z")
Religion seems to make some people insane. Islam seems to make a great percentage of people insane. I hate saying it, and I’m not happy to feel that way. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/5 "2006-07-30T20:41:35Z")
> [@shizaru](#): > > Religion seems to make some people insane. Islam seems to make a great percentage of people insane. I hate saying it, and I’m not happy to feel that way. Got a cite for your assertion? ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/6 "2006-07-30T21:21:40Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Got a cite for your assertion? I don’t see many stories of atheists strapping bombs to themselves, either “for the unborn” or “72 virgins” or whatever other invisible pixie they so choose. Islam just seems to create the most zealous loony fundy of all of the loony fundies out there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/7 "2006-07-30T21:52:11Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > I don’t see many stories of atheists strapping bombs to themselves, either “for the unborn” or “72 virgins” or whatever other invisible pixie they so choose. The ratio of People Killed Because of Religion to People Killed Because of Video Games is really getting out of whack. Looks like Hillary Clinton would try to get the stuff banned. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/8 "2006-07-30T22:02:31Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > I don’t see many stories of atheists strapping bombs to themselves, either “for the unborn” or “72 virgins” or whatever other invisible pixie they so choose. > > Islam just seems to create the most zealous loony fundy of all of the loony fundies out there. I went looking around for homicidal loonies, and was appalled by the number of terrorist attacks and various batshit incidents there have been in the US that were perpetuated by brown-skinned islamic fundamentalists driven by religous dogma. [Here’s one.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh)[Here’s another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber)[Another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer)[They just keep coming out of the woodwork!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer) [This is getting kind of easy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard) [La la la.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley%2C_Jr.) Whoops - all of them are white, none of them driven by religous dogma. Hmm, do I detect a hint of bigotry? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/9 "2006-07-30T22:06:33Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Got a cite for your assertion? Here’s [one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism#Examples_of_attacks), sort of. But, [here’s a better one](http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks). ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/10 "2006-07-30T22:15:02Z")
> [@Subway Prophet](#): > > I went looking around for homicidal loonies, and was appalled by the number of terrorist attacks and various batshit incidents there have been in the US that were perpetuated by brown-skinned islamic fundamentalists driven by religous dogma. > > [Here’s one.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh)[Here’s another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber)[Another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer)[They just keep coming out of the woodwork!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer) [This is getting kind of easy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard) [La la la.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley%2C_Jr.) > > Whoops - all of them are white, none of them driven by religous dogma. Wow, none of whom did it “for the protection of Atheism” either!! If you could actually produce someone who did it for his lack of beliefs, I might actually be somewhat impressed. Where’s the terrorists for the Invisible Pink Unicorn at? > [@](#): > > Hmm, do I detect a hint of bigotry? Towards fundamentalism, either Christian or Islamic…guilty as charged. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/11 "2006-07-30T22:15:47Z")
> [@Subway Prophet](#): > > I went looking around for homicidal loonies, and was appalled by the number of terrorist attacks and various batshit incidents there have been in the US that were perpetuated by brown-skinned islamic fundamentalists driven by religous dogma. > > [Here’s one.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh)[Here’s another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber)[Another.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer)[They just keep coming out of the woodwork!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer) [This is getting kind of easy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard) [La la la.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley%2C_Jr.) > > Whoops - all of them are white, none of them driven by religous dogma. > > Hmm, do I detect a hint of bigotry? Oh, don’t be so fucking disingenuous. With the possible exception of McVeigh, none of the people you mention are terrorists as the term is commonly used. More importantly, there has been no organized, proselytized, effort to induce people to become sexual sadists and cannibals. On the other hand, there have been, and are, more than a few Muslims of influence advocating acts of “martyrdom”. Tell me you’re not serious. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/12 "2006-07-31T04:16:19Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > With the possible exception of McVeigh, none of the people you mention are terrorists as the term is commonly used. Why not? Certainly the Unabomber fits the common definition of a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![shizaru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@shizaru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shizaru)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/13 "2006-07-31T11:49:42Z")
Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear, Sam Clem. when I said “I’m not happy to feel that way” I meant that I personally have that assertion, not that its any kind of fact. I’m not defending feeling that way either, but thats how Islam registers to me. Now whether or not there are more Islamic terrorists than any other kind I don’t know. I’m sure every religion has its share of nutcases. [Christianity does](http://thetravisty.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm) and just thinking about people like that disgusts me. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/14 "2006-07-31T21:58:16Z")
You want cites of muslim rage and insanity? [Achille Lauro](http://www.specialoperations.com/Images_Folder/library2/achille.html) [Pan Am 103](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103) [World Trade Center](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center) [American Embassy in Damascus](http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1:53482785/Jewish+War+Veterans~C~+Attack+on+American+Soil+Goes+Virtually+Unnoticed.html) [Egypt Air Flight 990](http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200111/langewiesche) [TWA Flight 847](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847) [Marine Barracks, Beruit](http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/terror.htm) [Air France Flight 8969](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969) [The Pentagon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#September_11.2C_2001) [Shanksville, PA](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanksville,_Pennsylvania) [London](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings) [Madrid](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_March_2004_Madrid_attacks) [Nick Berg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg) [Ryan Manelick]([http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p\_product=LC&p\_theme=lc&p\_action=search&p\_maxdocs=200&p\_text\_search-0="Ryan%20G.%20Manelick,%20Air%20Force%20linguist"&s\_dispstring=Ryan%20G.%20Manelick,%20Air%20Force%20linguist%20AND%20date(last%20730%20d)](http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=LC&p_theme=lc&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_text_search-0=%22Ryan%20G.%20Manelick,%20Air%20Force%20linguist%22&s_dispstring=Ryan%20G.%20Manelick,%20Air%20Force%20linguist%20AND%20date(last%20730%20d)) Versus Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols and Theodore Kaczynski, who, by many standards weren’t particulary religious? Not even close… Protesting soliders funerals is nuts, not dangerous. The Koreshis were seculsional, not murderers. Ruby Ridge? A solitary nutcase. Columbine? A product of our politcally correct, hands-off society. Those things though, do not, cannot, EVER hold a candle to the white-hot fire of hate that radiates throughout the muslim world for America and her supporters. It has become clear that Islamic Fundamentalism is dangerous, not jsut to Americans, but to everyone in the entire free world. Even the guy from [Jyllands-Posten](http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/382) gets it. I don’t know why it’s this way, I only know it is. It doesn’t make me feel bad to recognize when something is evil. There is plenty of evil in Christianity too, in fact, no religion is particularly safe from that kind of madness (with the possible exception of Buddhism). It’s just that muslims are expressly more violent than most. Just an obvious fact. ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/15 "2006-08-01T00:12:42Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > There is plenty of evil in Christianity too Aww, gee, you took away the standard _tu quoque_ used by apologists in these threads. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/16 "2006-08-01T07:59:48Z")
Well try this then. Other terrorism has incorporated with the State. The hybrid is called an “Army.” ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/17 "2006-08-01T12:46:42Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Well try this then. Other terrorism has incorporated with the State. The hybrid is called an “Army.” All right, so you say that despite being uniformed and having a clear command structure (ie, the definition of a lawful combatant under the Third Geneva Convention) that an Army is a terrorist organization?? The shameful behavior of certain elements of an otherwise distinguished and proud fighting force does not lower its overall respect and standing. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/18 "2006-08-01T17:15:29Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Well try this then. Other terrorism has incorporated with the State. The hybrid is called an “Army.” Philosophically, I somewhat agree, but realistically, your comparison is hollow. Armies fight, generally, with rules, and protocol. Violations of which are punishable by all manner of sentences, up to and including death. Armies are raised within countries to defend those countries from attackers. They do so under the ausipices of the common defense, and to protect the common interest in that country. Radical muslims represent radical muslims. They do NOT represent the whole of the people within those countries (in most cases). Sadly, the bad apples DO spoil the bunch. They do not fight for the common defense, but fight for the supremacy of their religion. They fight in horribly cowardly ways, using women, children and animals as both fodder and target. They fight without rule, protocol, or even honor, though they believe their purpose is higher, the murder of innocent people waiting at a bus stop shows the world otherwise At the risk of Godwinizing this thread, radical Islam (and it’s followers) is as dangerous as Nazism, with, ironically, the same target. For my money, just like the Nazis’ the followers of radical islam must meet the fate they call for the Jews to meet, and I don’t mind even a little bit the help we give Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/19 "2006-08-02T12:11:26Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > All right, so you say that despite being uniformed and having a clear command structure (ie, the definition of a lawful combatant under the Third Geneva Convention) that an Army is a terrorist organization?? > > The shameful behavior of certain elements of an otherwise distinguished and proud fighting force does not lower its overall respect and standing. So your beef with terrorism is the lack of uniform and a clear command structure? In other words, the poverty? With most armies, the shameful ‘certain elements’ are in charge. Pick your own example. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553/20 "2006-08-02T12:33:14Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > With most armies, the shameful ‘certain elements’ are in charge. Pick your own example. May we have a cite for this assertion, please? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-a-muslim-american-im-angry-at-israel/366553.md?page=2)