# I'm All For Women's Right's, But I Think... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 9, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997 "2011-03-09T02:11:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/61 "2011-03-18T11:29:37Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > Out of curiosity, was he saying this like it was a BAD thing? He was saying as deadpan as he could (although with a glint in his eyes giving him away, which he usually didn’t have when he deadpanned) and as part of the whole “teaching us that who gets to go first is about what is the most efficient option, not about gender”. He considered being able to examine a woman’s behind a fine thing, but he also thought it stupid to let a woman go first if it made more sense for him to do it (for example, if he happened to have his hands full and she didn’t). ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/62 "2011-03-18T11:40:11Z")
…he should be the one to tie down loads on the car roof and back up the boat trailer, return the beer bottles, and take care of plumbing emergencies… ---
**Author:** ![MegaBee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@MegaBee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaBee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/63 "2011-03-18T12:33:50Z")
> [@j66](#): > > Oh, for heaven’s sake. > > Men don’t actually have to let a women enter or exit the elevator first; it is always appropriate for a gentleman to precede a lady if necessary to ensure her safety. Protecting her from being trampled by people trying to get on of off crowded elevators counts. > > They should step to one side immediately and very obviously put a hand out to prevent the door from closing to make their intention clear, of course. This is the 21st century, right? Ladies are doing it for themselves, yeah? I think women can ensure their own safety just as well as men. ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/64 "2011-03-18T13:03:42Z")
> [@MegaBee](#): > > This is the 21st century, right? Ladies are doing it for themselves, yeah? I think women can ensure their own safety just as well as men. You really aren’t getting into the spirit of this thread, are you **MegaBee**? My husband does the heavy lifting, kills the bugs, fixes the cars, and usually drives when we’re together. We actually have a surprisingly traditional gender divide in our relationship, I wouldn’t have expected it. ---
**Author:** ![MegaBee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@MegaBee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaBee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/65 "2011-03-18T13:22:49Z")
> [@Renee](#): > > You really aren’t getting into the spirit of this thread, are you **MegaBee**? I actually kind of hate the spirit of this thread, so I suppose I’m not really getting into it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/66 "2011-03-18T14:01:33Z")
> [@MegaBee](#): > > This is the 21st century, right? Ladies are doing it for themselves, yeah? I think women can ensure their own safety just as well as men. I don’t know. Apparently the ravening hordes on the elevator are too much for little ole me. I’ll throw my fiance at them and hope that stops their advance. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/67 "2011-03-19T00:16:32Z")
> [@MegaBee](#): > > This is the 21st century, right? Ladies are doing it for themselves, yeah? I think women can ensure their own safety just as well as men. With respect, you are confusing reality with tradition. There are certain things a well-brought up man just _does,_ and no self-respecting women will accept his failing to do so, for no better reason that their grand-parents would spin in their graves. Of course, exactly what these things are vary, which makes conversations about it fun. I would also respectfully point out that women fought pretty vigorously for recognition of their capabilities in the 19th and 20th centuries, too. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/68 "2011-03-19T00:23:55Z")
> [@j66](#): > > With respect, you are confusing reality with tradition. > > There are certain things a well-brought up man just _does,_ and no self-respecting women will accept his failing to do so, for no better reason that their grand-parents would spin in their graves. > > Of course, exactly what these things are vary, which makes conversations about it fun. > > I would also respectfully point out that women fought pretty vigorously for recognition of their capabilities in the 19th and 20th centuries, too. Perhaps this is best suited for a second thread but I’m wondering: What are the things a well-brought up woman just does and no self-respecting men will accept her failing to do so? ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/69 "2011-03-19T01:47:59Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Perhaps this is best suited for a second thread but I’m wondering: > What are the things a well-brought up woman just does and no self-respecting men will accept her failing to do so? I don’t really know … The types of things I’m talking about have been mentioned above: putting down the seat walking on the outside preceding a lady down the stairs not taking a seat before a woman older than he All the things a well-brought up man must do are useless (except putting down the seat) ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/70 "2011-03-19T01:59:05Z")
> [@j66](#): > > I don’t really know … > > The types of things I’m talking about have been mentioned above: > > putting down the seat > walking on the outside > preceding a lady down the stairs > not taking a seat before a woman older than he > > All the things a well-brought up man must do are useless (except putting down the seat) Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your post. You answered my post by talking about things which a man ought to do. I was asking you about things which a woman ought to do. You have said that there are things a well-brought up man should do which no self-respecting women would accept his failing to do so. I am asking you what a well-brought up woman should do which no self-respecting men would accept her failing to do so. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/71 "2011-03-19T03:17:05Z")
> [@j66](#): > > There are certain things a well-brought up man just _does,_ and no self-respecting women will accept his failing to do so, for no better reason that their grand-parents would spin in their graves. Oh, honey, my grandparents should have reached the Earth’s core by now. ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/72 "2011-03-19T04:25:53Z")
Kill the scorpions ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/73 "2011-03-19T07:58:56Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > Kill the scorpions :eek: _Kill_ the scorpions? What happened to “pack up the family and move to where there are no scorpions?” ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/74 "2011-03-19T13:36:05Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your post. You answered my post by talking about things which a man ought to do. I was asking you about things which a woman ought to do. My reply was the first sentence - I don’t know … Never leave the house without gloves? Never cross her legs at the knee? I cannot think of any traditional and useless things that are still expected of women. Always invite her guests to sit down, so no-one commits the faux pas of doing so before being invited? ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/75 "2011-03-19T17:19:03Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > my father reckoned that letting women always go first was just an excuse to stare at their ass. This is why I let them go first, and I will freely admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Maiira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Maiira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maiira)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/76 "2011-03-20T03:17:58Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ll throw my fiance at them and hope that stops their advance. For a moment there, I read that as “throw my **feces** at them.” Personally, I think that would be more entertaining. As for my relationship: …Do the technology setup stuff (computers, DVD players, etc.). …Kill the spiders and centipedes. …Clean up vomit. I’m okay with everything else, but vomit makes ME retch. …Mow the lawn. As for taxes, we both suck at them. ---
**Author:** ![tesseract](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@tesseract](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tesseract)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/77 "2011-03-20T04:29:45Z")
> [@Incref](#): > > Let a woman go first through a doorway/elevator/etc. > > Completely irrational but it shits me when guys don’t do it and I judge them accordingly. Skipping the later posts about this that miss the spirit of thread. I really like this one and the main reason I like it is the simplicity and ease of it. In the building where I work, which has 20 floors, I ride an elevator at least 2x a day, usually more. I love that, at least as between men and women, there are no weird pauses, no uncertainty, no dance where both people stop to let the other person on or off – it’s ladies first. It’s beautiful in its simplicity. I’m busy and I need to get back to work. It works great. ---
**Author:** ![StaudtCJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@StaudtCJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StaudtCJ)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997/78 "2011-03-20T05:32:39Z")
…stop saying he is going to “babysit” his own kids when it’s his turn to baby-wrangle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-all-for-womens-rights-but-i-think/573997.md?page=3)