# I'm already hyped about Pixar's 'Inside Out'! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 3, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299 "2014-10-03T19:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/181 "2015-07-07T02:29:06Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Just want to put this here… > [Strange Synthesis of Inside Out](http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/07/05/419727485/the-awkward-synthesis-that-is-inside-out) > > That’s the link to an NPR story that agrees with me about my arguments on the movie that I laid out upthread. > > So someone agrees with me! I’m not alone anymore! woooo > > ETA: At least until it gets to the gender stuff…that’s bullshit And it’s written by a philosopher I like a lot, no less. And yet, for all that, he’s completely off base! He as a philosopher of mind of all people should recognize the [Multiple Drafts model of consciousness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_drafts_model) when he sees it. He doesn’t have to agree with it (or simplified versions of it found in works of pop culture) but to not even acknowledge it? > [@the wikipedia article on multiple drafts](#): > > According to the model, there are a variety of sensory inputs from a given event and also a variety of interpretations of these inputs. The sensory inputs arrive in the brain and are interpreted at different times, so a given event can give rise to a succession of discriminations, constituting the equivalent of multiple drafts of a story. As soon as each discrimination is accomplished, it becomes available for eliciting a behaviour; it does not have to wait to be presented at the theatre. > > Like a number of other theories, the Multiple Drafts model understands conscious experience as taking time to occur, such that percepts do not instantaneously arise in the mind in their full richness. The distinction is that Dennett’s theory denies any clear and unambiguous boundary separating conscious experiences from all other processing. According to Dennett, consciousness is to be found in the actions and flows of information from place to place, rather than some singular view containing our experience. There is no central experiencer who confers a durable stamp of approval on any particular draft. > > Different parts of the neural processing assert more or less control at different times. For something to reach consciousness is akin to becoming famous, in that it must leave behind consequences by which it is remembered. To put it another way, consciousness is the property of having enough influence to affect what the mouth will say and the hands will do. Which inputs are “edited” into our drafts is not an exogenous act of supervision, but part of the self-organizing functioning of the network, and at the same level as the circuitry that conveys information bottom-up. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/182 "2015-07-07T02:34:14Z")
Noe’s (and **Sir T-Cups** )'s views seem to me to ignore what I thought was clear on a first reading of the film: there’s no question that needs asking (or answering) of whether she controls the emotions or the emotions control her, rather, the emotions (plus a lot of other agents encountered in the film) _constitute_ her mind. It would be like asking whether the computer controls the circuitry or the circuitry controls the computer… ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/183 "2015-07-07T13:35:13Z")
I’m not buying the thesis that Riley was a meat puppet controlled by the emotion characters. That’s simply not how I interpreted what was actually happening in the movie I watched. I thought it was pretty clear that the emotion characters had influence over Riley - they could ‘tinge’ experiences with emotional states, or even introduce ideas - but they had no _direct_ control over what she did day to day (and their attempting to do so even indirectly was portrayed as bad). In fact, that’s what sets the plot in motion. The Joy character _attempts_ to control Riley more closely - to prevent a “core memory” she dislikes (because it is sad) from entering Riley’s mind. This causes, in effect, the whole system to crash. The system, evidently, _rejects_ such elementary manipulation. Similarly, when the Anger et al. characters insert an ‘idea’ into Riley, it is a bad move - they can do it but it results in near-disaster. Even so, they do not control how the “idea” is put into practice. Riley is always presented as a seperate person, for whom the emotions (and others) are _performing services_ (for good or bad), or _influencing_ (for good or bad): another example is that some of the brain’s employees are in charge of creating dreams for Riley to view (indicating that there is a “Riley” to view them). But ultimately, the actual source of Riley’s concious thoughts lay elsewhere - perhaps a creation of the “system” itself. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/184 "2016-02-29T21:45:04Z")
Saw this today on cable. It’s an astonishingly gorgeous movie, but I have never hated a character more than sadness. Every time there was an opportunity for her death I was actively rooting for that outcome. I’m a little worried about what that says about me… ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/185 "2016-03-01T00:17:19Z")
In an interesting sidenote, this was the top performing US movie in 2015 excluding sequels and spinoffs. > **[Domestic Box Office For 2015 - Box Office Mojo](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2015/)** ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/186 "2016-03-01T00:37:10Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > In an interesting sidenote, this was the top performing US movie in 2015 excluding sequels and spinoffs. > > [Domestic Box Office For 2015 - Box Office Mojo](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2015) Pixar is a brand in itself, just like Star Wars or Marvel. It’s not really a fair comparison, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/187 "2016-03-01T02:17:38Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > Pixar is a brand in itself, just like Star Wars or Marvel. It’s not really a fair comparison, IMHO. Tell that to The Good Dinosaur which tanked. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/188 "2016-03-01T03:59:37Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Tell that to The Good Dinosaur which tanked. Well, it doesn’t mean that it’ll guarantee success. But surely you’d agree that a Pixar film will attract a certain level of interest just due to the name of the studio? ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/189 "2016-03-01T17:04:01Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The volcano short is weird because somehow they managed to stick to the tired trope of fat ugly guy and hot skinny woman in a story about VOLCANOS. The volcanos were designed after [this guy](https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=israel%20kamakawiwo%CA%BBole), Israel Kamakawiwoʻole, a relatively important cultural figure in Hawaii and his wife ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/190 "2016-03-01T17:29:20Z")
> [@Taber](#): > > The volcanos were designed after [this guy](https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=israel%20kamakawiwo%CA%BBole), Israel Kamakawiwoʻole, a relatively important cultural figure in Hawaii and his wife [Iz & miz](http://www.izhawaii.com/wp-content/gallery2/gallery/marlene%20and%20iz%20.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/191 "2016-03-01T20:39:27Z")
_Inside Out_ won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and deserved it, I’d say (although _The Incredibles_ remains my hands-down favorite Pixar film of all time). Bing Bong’s sacrifice made me a little verklempt, I have to admit. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/192 "2016-03-02T01:06:01Z")
I don’t think there was any doubt it’d win Best Animated. What was it even competing against? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/193 "2016-03-02T21:52:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think there was any doubt it’d win Best Animated. What was it even competing against? Two beautifully hand-drawn films from Japan and Brazil and two excellent stop-motion films–one very smart one geared toward kids and one very sad one geared toward adults. The Pixar was the only that was fully CG. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/194 "2016-03-02T22:49:55Z")
> [@singular1](#): > > Saw this today on cable. It’s an astonishingly gorgeous movie, but I have never hated a character more than sadness. Every time there was an opportunity for her death I was actively rooting for that outcome. I’m a little worried about what that says about me… I love Sadness. The whole point of the movie is that Riley has good reasons to be sad and not giving in to it makes everything worse. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299/195 "2016-03-03T05:04:30Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Two beautifully hand-drawn films from Japan and Brazil and two excellent stop-motion films–one very smart one geared toward kids and one very sad one geared toward adults. The Pixar was the only that was fully CG. For more: [Academy Award for Best Animated Feature - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Animated_Feature#2010s) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-already-hyped-about-pixars-inside-out/700299.md?page=9)