# I'm ashamed of you people **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181 "2006-04-25T18:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/221 "2006-04-27T19:39:02Z")
> [@wring](#): > > Fair is fair, **tom** was the second to post that link, **bup** (IIRC) was first. Ah, thank you for clearing up my ignorance. All hail **bup**! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/222 "2006-04-27T19:50:42Z")
**tomndeb** made the point much, much better than I did that **clothahump** is on record being hypocritical about respecting the office - I think a lot more people saw it in his post than in mine. > [@Miller](#): > > Right, so we shouldn’t expect another attack like that… _ **which is just what the terrorists want us to think!!!** _ You forgot to mention you were gay in this post, or maybe my gaydar just didn’t pick it up 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/223 "2006-04-27T20:00:33Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Just speaking for myself, here, I think it would take quite a few more planes flown into buildings before I ceased being surprised by that sort of thing. Well, look at the history of attacks against the US and its properties: 1974: TWA flight 841 bombed after departing Athens. 1975: bomb kills 11 and injures 75 at LaGuardia. 1977: 100 hostages taken in three DC buildings. Marion Berry shot. 1978 - '95: Anti-technology Unibomber. 1983: bobming of the US Embassy and marine barracks in Beruit and Gulf Air Flight 177. 1984: TWA flight 847 hijacked in Beruit. 1986: TWA flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens. 1993: successful truck bomb under the WTC and foiled bombings of the UN, the Lincoln & Holland Tunnels, the George Washington Bridge, and the NYC FBI office. 1995: Murrah Federal Building bombed by McVeigh & Nichols and Amtrak’s Sunset Limited derailed by anti-government saboteurs. 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing. 1997: tourists shot on an Empire State Building observation deck. 1999: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots 2000: bombing of the USS Cole. 2001: hijacked airliners flown in to the WTC & Pentagon, someone managed to kill five people by mailing Anthrax, and a nut tried to blow up a plane with his shoes. 2002: Car bomb outside the US Consulate in Karachi, an Egyptian gunman opened fire at the El Al ticket counter in LAX, three people killed by the DC snipers, and one person killed in a car bomb oustide a Moscow McDonald’s. 2003: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia and a US diplomatic convoy bombed in the Gaza Strip. That tells me our enemies don’t like pulling the same thing twice. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/224 "2006-04-27T20:06:05Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You forgot to mention you were gay in this post, or maybe my gaydar just didn’t pick it up 😉 Damn, you’re right! Let me fix that: > [@The Gay Guy](#): > > Right, I’m gay so I’m gay we I’m gay shouldn’t I’m gay expect I’m gay another I’m gay attack I’m gay like I’m gay that… _ **I’m gay which I’m gay is I’m gay just I’m gay what I’m gay the I’m gay terrorists I’m gay want I’m gay us I’m gay to I’m gay think!!!** _ > > Also, I like the cock. This is, I assume, how **Boo Boo Foo** \* sees all my posts. [sub]\*By the way, how gay is that screen name?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/225 "2006-04-27T20:08:42Z")
> [@Oy!](#): > > Really? On what do you base that assessment?. Reports of interviews with wannabe suicide bombers. They can be pretty much summed up with “Kill the infidels!” Anyway, I was referring to organized terrorists like Al-Quaeda, not random religious fanatics. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/226 "2006-04-27T20:14:28Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Reports of interviews with wannabe suicide bombers. They can be pretty much summed up with “Kill the infidels!” Eh… if, as the example was hinting at, we’re talking about murders who blow up Pizza parlors and such, then I think that the Israeli situation would be a prime exemplar, and in that case terror is definitely one of the goals. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/227 "2006-04-27T20:18:02Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Shit, he was warned about it too in that thread, and seemed to be on the edge of banning. I hope we haven’t seen the last of our entertaining friend. Dammit. That’s a very good point. To be specific, here’s the mod warning in question, from **Frank** : > [@Frank](#): > > **Clothahump** , do not use offensive and inflammatory racially-based slurs on the SDMB. You could have used the word “illegals” (as you did later) with no loss of content. > > The reason for the delay in issuing you this warning was to allow time for a discussion of your posting privileges. You are at the edge of the abyss. If you wish to continue to post on the SDMB, I suggest backing away. So, apparently he hasn’t backed away or learned his lesson. (Which ain’t no surprise, as he’s never learned a lesson in the 394675836487 other infuriated pit threads he’s made that proved to be baseless.) Tsk tsk tsk. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/228 "2006-04-27T20:18:42Z")
**Miller** ’s gay? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/229 "2006-04-27T20:19:02Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Well, look at the history of attacks against the US and its properties: > > 1974: TWA flight 841 bombed after departing Athens. > > 1975: bomb kills 11 and injures 75 at LaGuardia. > > 1977: 100 hostages taken in three DC buildings. Marion Berry shot. > > 1978 - '95: Anti-technology Unibomber. > > 1983: bobming of the US Embassy and marine barracks in Beruit and Gulf Air Flight 177. > > 1984: TWA flight 847 hijacked in Beruit. > > 1986: TWA flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens. > > 1993: successful truck bomb under the WTC and foiled bombings of the UN, the Lincoln & Holland Tunnels, the George Washington Bridge, and the NYC FBI office. > > 1995: Murrah Federal Building bombed by McVeigh & Nichols and Amtrak’s Sunset Limited derailed by anti-government saboteurs. > > 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing. > > 1997: tourists shot on an Empire State Building observation deck. > > 1999: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots > > 2000: bombing of the USS Cole. > > 2001: hijacked airliners flown in to the WTC & Pentagon, someone managed to kill five people by mailing Anthrax, and a nut tried to blow up a plane with his shoes. > > 2002: Car bomb outside the US Consulate in Karachi, an Egyptian gunman opened fire at the El Al ticket counter in LAX, three people killed by the DC snipers, and one person killed in a car bomb oustide a Moscow McDonald’s. > > 2003: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia and a US diplomatic convoy bombed in the Gaza Strip. > > That tells me our enemies don’t like pulling the same thing twice. tells me something diferent: they like using bombs- A. in vehicles which are then driven into other places (boat against boat, car/truck against building etc.) B. strapped onto people C. in the road (especially in Iraq) they like attacking airplanes. (ie blowing them up, using them as missiles). Sounds like 2 major game plans to me, which have been replicated quite a few times. you know that there **are** other manners of attacking large numbers of folks, right? (I won’t delineate them here since why should I plant any ideas). So, yea, they use the same type of thing over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/230 "2006-04-27T20:22:08Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Eh… if, as the example was hinting at, we’re talking about murders who blow up Pizza parlors and such, then I think that the Israeli situation would be a prime exemplar, and in that case terror is definitely one of the goals. I didn’t say it wasn’t but rather it’s secondary to killing infidels whereas organized terroists like Al-Qaeda are more interested in disrupting the daily routine. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/231 "2006-04-27T20:24:09Z")
> [@wring](#): > > you know that there **are** other manners of attacking large numbers of folks, right? (I won’t delineate them here since why should I plant any ideas). Of course, and I’m saying an attack in the US would more likely be one of those instead of something that’s been done already. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/232 "2006-04-27T20:23:59Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > **Miller** ’s gay? :eek: Who told?! ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/233 "2006-04-27T20:24:32Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > “Again”? Weren’t the only nuclear attacks on major metropolitan areas done buy us? Curses… I knew as soon as I posted that I should have specified “American metropolitan area.” I meant the remark as a parallel to the evaluation that Bush has done such a splendid job of making the United States safe from aircraft terrorism, what with only 3000 deaths and all. One presumes, therefore, that the Bush administration would similarly be lauded for protecting the United States from nuclear terrorism after the first bomb is detonated in an American city. The administration’s timely response will then no doubt give us the peace of mind of knowing that we never, ever have to worry about it happening again. Bush’s sterling legacy would then encompass the positive results of securing the country against nuclear terrorism in the same way that he has shielded us from aircraft terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/234 "2006-04-27T20:25:06Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > That tells me our enemies don’t like pulling the same thing twice. That’s not a sensible conclusion to draw from that list. You’re talking about too many different groups of people; I don’t think you can get anything meaningful from lumping Al Qaeda (Islamic militants) and the Unabomber (anti-technology) together with Tim McVeigh (anti-government, revenge for Waco). If you did want to draw any conclusions from that list, how about “terrorists love going after planes and targets with symbolic value, particularly government landmarks?” I think we can say for sure that Al Qaeda loves targeting transportation - aside from September 11th, see Madrid and London - since it’s a relatively soft target with economic and emotional impact. The risks of another aircrash attack are probably low, but I’m sure they’d do it again if they could. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/235 "2006-04-27T20:30:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Who told?! It was an impression I got from your last post (#224). I apologised if I read something into it that wasn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/236 "2006-04-27T20:33:18Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > **Miller** ’s gay? :eek: [Jay] He **loves** the cock. [/Jay] -/Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/237 "2006-04-27T20:42:11Z")
What did that rooster ever do to you? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/238 "2006-04-27T20:46:05Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Of course, and I’m saying an attack in the US would more likely be one of those instead of something that’s been done already. huh. I looked at that list and would think it’s probable that should they attack again, they’d **probably** use a car/truck bomb against some building w/symbolic meaning/large number of people, or attack a plane. Certainly if we had more data we could find more potential differences between the attacks ('in this one they used 4 men, but this one used 5!, and one was significantly shorter than the rest!") but I would see them as 'likely variables in any human endeavor" vs. 'huge difference in attack styles" I’m surprised that you can continue to look at that list and see it as radically different types. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/239 "2006-04-27T20:56:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s not a sensible conclusion to draw from that list. You’re talking about too many different groups of people I didn’t want to leave anyone out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/240 "2006-04-27T20:58:34Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I’m surprised that you can continue to look at that list and see it as radically different types. The ones in the US are, mainly because it’s hard to drive across the Atlantic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181.md?page=13)