# I'm ashamed of you people **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181 "2006-04-25T18:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/121 "2006-04-26T13:25:32Z")
> [@RTA](#): > > If you had been in Jagger’s place you’d have been waiting for Bush under the sheets, like some teenage groupie on the _Sticky Fingers_ tour. Now THAT was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/122 "2006-04-26T13:30:07Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Maybe over-the-top, but didn’t you posit in this thread that people like your dad ‘are finally coming around’ and then, in a followup post, tell us that you’re pretty much going to be “forced” to vote on a straight GOP ticket? > > See a disconnect in there anywhere? Will all those who are ‘finally coming around’ also feel “forced” and, therefore, be abrogated of all responsibility and culpability? > > -Joe Perhaps you missed the point: **Ogre** is voting in the Republican _primary_ to support the relatively moderate candidate who is opposed by Roy “My God weighs 5,200 pounds and is carved in granite” Moore. Second, look up Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY). He is the only Congressman who qualifies under the Endangered Species Act – AFAIK, the sole surviving liberal Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/123 "2006-04-26T13:35:04Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Perhaps you missed the point: **Ogre** is voting in the Republican _primary_ to support the relatively moderate candidate who is opposed by Roy “My God weighs 5,200 pounds and is carved in granite” Moore. Ogre said : > [@](#): > > Hell, I’ll be voting Repub in state elections (and you can damn well be sure I’ll be voting in the Republican primary to make sure that psycho Moore stays far back in the polls,) and that’s a damn rare thing for me. So, no. I read things correctly. He’s voring Repub in state elections. The only place he’s going deliberately moderate is in the **primaries**. Keep in mind, of course, that he’s made up his mind six months in advance. Yeah, the Neocon pendulum is _really_ on the backswing now… (not gonna rolleyes) -Joe ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/124 "2006-04-26T13:45:56Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I didn’t see any part of the story that said that either of them “fought like four year olds.” Bush’s people asked for the room ( a little bit presumptuous and arrogant but not a “fight” yet). Jagger said no. The WH moved on. > > I’m especially bewildered as to why you think there’s anything immature about Jagger’s behavior. He was asked for something that was his and he said no. Can I have your car? No? Why are you fighting with me like a four year old over a car. My point is that this should not even be in the god damn news. Bush gets to the hotel or calls or whathaveyou. “Do you have that big awesome suite available?” “No” “OK, what have you got” End of story. Mick Jagger should never have been asked to give up the room. It never should have gotten past the reception desk. And now it’s ROCK STAR VS PRESIDENT…and if you don’t think Mick Jagger loves turning down George Bush, you’re crazy…no I don’t have a cite for that…but you know it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/125 "2006-04-26T14:09:09Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Second, look up Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY). He is the only Congressman who qualifies under the Endangered Species Act – AFAIK, the sole surviving liberal Republican. He’s retiring after this term anyway. There are, to be fair, quite a few remaining Republicans in the Northeast who qualify as moderate, even on the liberal side, and sane to boot. The faction in control of the GOP has been energetically trying to marginalize and eliminate the RINO’s, of course. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/126 "2006-04-26T14:30:29Z")
> [@tiny ham](#): > > My point is that this should not even be in the god damn news. Bush gets to the hotel or calls or whathaveyou. “Do you have that big awesome suite available?” > > “No” > > “OK, what have you got” > > End of story. Mick Jagger should never have been asked to give up the room. It never should have gotten past the reception desk. And now it’s ROCK STAR VS PRESIDENT…and if you don’t think Mick Jagger loves turning down George Bush, you’re crazy…no I don’t have a cite for that…but you know it’s true. Hmm… now that you mention it, how did the White House Staffers know that Mick Jagger was the one that had the room? Are there no privacy laws there? **Clotha** , you’re being a twit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/127 "2006-04-26T14:41:02Z")
> [@tiny ham](#): > > My point is that this should not even be in the god damn news. It didn’t get in the god damn news. It got in _The Sun_. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/128 "2006-04-26T14:43:08Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Hmm… now that you mention it, how did the White House Staffers know that Mick Jagger was the one that had the room? Are there no privacy laws there? Right. This means that someone at the whitehouse said “WELL WHO’S IN THAT ROOM. WE WANT IT! WAH WAH WAH” Really, I should ammend my statment. Mick Jagger probably just said, No thanks and that’s the end of it…and the whitehouse publicists made it a huge f-ing deal. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/129 "2006-04-26T14:48:43Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Hmm… now that you mention it, how did the White House Staffers know that Mick Jagger was the one that had the room? Are there no privacy laws there? My guess is that somebody happened to hear Jagger telling whoever asked him to give up his room to jag off, and tipped off the gossip columnist at the _Sun_. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/130 "2006-04-26T14:56:04Z")
I doubt the WH even made a deal out of it. The hotel probably has a red phone connected straight to the Sun, where hotel staffers can make 100 euros for dirt like this. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/131 "2006-04-26T15:15:30Z")
> [@Steve MB](#): > > My guess is that somebody happened to hear Jagger telling whoever asked him to give up his room to jag off, and tipped off the gossip columnist at the _Sun_. But what I’m wondering is how they (the White House Staff) even knew who to ask. If I was running a hotel, there’s no way you’d get the name of the reservation out of me. I might, if I was feeling very magnanamous, call the reserver and ask him myself, but in this case, I wouldn’t have the…what do you call it…oh, yeah, BALLS to ask Mick Jagger to give up his reservation. I would certainly NEVER tell a person “Oh, yeah, Mr. Clothahump of 123 Hysteric Lane, phone number IMA-TWIT won’t give up his reservation for you.” And I can’t imagine what well respected, secure to dignitaries hotel would. Something’s screwy here. Maybe the White House has Mad Hakkorz on staff and they went all Veronica Mars on the hotel’s computers. [/tin foil hat] ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/132 "2006-04-26T15:29:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What about Keith Richards vs. Dick Cheney? > > Cheney’s had heart problems and Richards is the Man Who Will Not Die. > [@Richards](#): > > braaaaiiiinnnns > [@Cheney](#): > > braaaaiiiinnnns War of the Mutant Zombies 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/133 "2006-04-26T15:52:31Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > While that’s incoherent, I think you mean “How do I feel when people lash out at me ?” Well, as a \*white male \* liberal atheist, that’s all I’ve ever known. Emphasis mine. : snort : : snicker : BWHAHA! HAAA! HAA HAA HAA! Whitey\*, please. \*I toned it down on preview. Nothing against White people, but his ilk, the poor put upon burdened White man drowning in a sea of Negros and Mexicans, gets my back up. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/134 "2006-04-26T15:54:23Z")
> [@Wolfian](#): > > Emphasis mine. Of course everything in the quote box is italicized. :smack: Eh, you’ll figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/135 "2006-04-26T16:10:49Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Pot, kettle, or just a jackass? You decide. What, your post? Jackass, plain and simple. I thought (and still think) that Clinton was a terrible President. I also thought (and still think) that he was due the respect of the office, even though he did his best to dishonor it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/136 "2006-04-26T16:14:05Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Where’s “All of the above”? > > And ditto to **Polycarp’s** last post. For folks like **Clothahump,** “respect for the President” only occurs when he has a little “(Republican)” next to his name on the ballot. That statement is incorrect. One might go so far as to say it is an outright lie. As I have stated repeatedly, this isn’t about politics. It’s about respect. You just don’t diss a head of state like that, whether you like his politics or not. I don’t care if we elect a one-legged leper into White House; once we do, he’s the President and is entitled to the courtesy of the office. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/137 "2006-04-26T16:19:00Z")
Oh really? I seem to recall a lot of disrespect for President Clinton, most of it coming from the right. To this day, a conservative friend of mine says he still has no respect for him. I’m sorry. To me, this incident is a tempest in a rather small teapot and an example of a man who’s used to getting his way being thwarted. Perhaps it should happen more often. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/138 "2006-04-26T16:20:14Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > In fact, I’d like to highlight this for **Clothahump** :I’d like **Clothahump** to consider that this, as much as any other reason, is why people are saying that Bush may well be the worst president in the history of the US. He’s done _enormous_ damage, not only in terms of 1)his shortsighted, moronic, homicidal foreign policy, or 2) his “let them eat cake” and “the poor are only fit to be ground up and used to lubricate the wheels of industry” domestic policy, but 3) his damage to the office of President itself. > > I was at my dad’s house this weekend, and he’s a staunch Southern red-state religious Republican. But as we were discussing politics, he looked at me and said, “Bush is a terrible president. He’s arrogant and stupid, and he won’t listen to anybody that criticizes him. I can’t believe I voted for him. And he’s a liar!” > > I think lots of people are finally reaching this conclusion. Sigh. As I have said, this isn’t about politics. Everything your dad said about Bush was incredibly accurate for Clinton’s Presidency, except for the fact that I didn’t vote for him. However, as bad as Clinton was, he was still entitled to the courtesy of the office. I’ve had to repeat this too many time. You people are so blinded by your hatred of George Bush that it permeates everything you do or so, and you will never stop to consider the fact that most of it is baseless. If you want to be pissed off at him, then be pissed off over the things that he really has screwed the pooch on, such as border control, lack of tax reform, etc. I don’t know of anybody, other than the wetbacks, that thinks his immigration ideas have merit. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/139 "2006-04-26T16:20:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That statement is incorrect. One might go so far as to say it is an outright lie. > > As I have stated repeatedly, this isn’t about politics. It’s about respect. You just don’t diss a head of state like that, whether you like his politics or not. I don’t care if we elect a one-legged leper into White House; once we do, he’s the President and is entitled to the courtesy of the office. But can you explain why the “courtesey of the office” includes bumping properly made and paid for reservations? I agree that Bush shouldn’t be spat at in public or cut off in traffic. I guess I’ll go so far as to agree that he shouldn’t be visited without an appointment, nor should one defecate on his desk. I just don’t see why mandatory cancellation of prior reservations is required in showing courtesy to his office or respect for his position. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/140 "2006-04-26T16:25:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What, your post? Jackass, plain and simple. > > I thought (and still think) that Clinton was a terrible President. I also thought (and still think) that he was due the respect of the office, even though he did his best to dishonor it. So do you have to take the helmet off when you vote or do they let you go right up there with it on? Your hypocrisy is a shining beacon for all the partisan hacks out there. Gulliver should be landing on your shores any time now, but he’ll probably move on over to the Houyhnhnms after dealing with your irrational bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181.md?page=8)