# I'm calling it: Obama is Jimmy Carter, and he is finished!!!!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022 "2011-09-12T05:33:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/81 "2011-09-14T01:18:07Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Really? You list a bunch of accomplishments, and then with a straight face, give all the credit to Bush? Not all I said “many” such as the successful withdrawal from Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/82 "2011-09-14T01:22:40Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Really? You list a bunch of accomplishments, and then with a straight face, give all the credit to Bush? He said he was a Republican. That requires a re reading of history and a huge distortion of facts. Carter was not a bad president. Bush was. Bush was the biggest disaster we ever had. we are still trying to dig out of his holes. The Repubs will fight any attempts to save the economy. They have nefarious plans for America. They need the presidency to set them in action. One of the biggest is Supreme Court Judges. they want to fuck the court up worse than they already have. There may be 2 or 3 appointments to the court coming up.They do not want the Dems to put them in. They want more corporate stooges in place . Of course they will absolutely do anything including filibuster to stop Obama making a S.C. selection. They realize how powerful the court has become. They do not want campaign financing reversed or corporate personhood taken down like it should be. This is a big fundamental battle between the corporations and the American people. ---
**Author:** ![gatorslap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gatorslap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gatorslap)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/83 "2011-09-14T01:51:25Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Jimmy Carter (probably the last President without any positive accomplishments in office) Peace between Israel and Egypt, SALT II, deregulating the airline industry, legalizing home brewing of beer – these are not positive accomplishments? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/84 "2011-09-14T02:26:09Z")
> [@gatorslap](#): > > Peace between Israel and Egypt, SALT II, deregulating the airline industry, legalizing home brewing of beer – these are not positive accomplishments? They were and as such the Conservative mind has automatically assigned credit to George W. Bush. Pay no attention to the time paradox. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/85 "2011-09-14T04:07:30Z")
Funny thread. I’ve been tempted to start a, “That’s it! The Presidential Election is Officially a Distraction from the Congressional Races!” thread, as I have become convinced that not a single one of these Republican clowns has the slightest chance of beating Obama. Their policies are mush or Bush, take your pick, and as has been pointed out, the biggest reason Obama’s policies aren’t working is because the pubbies won’t let anything pass. As if no one has noticed? :rolleyes: I’m surprised to see the opposing viewpoint, but not so surprised to see how it is being received. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/86 "2011-09-14T04:29:26Z")
A likely barometer for Nov 2012 [NY-09 goes to the GOP for the first time since 1922](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NY_SPECIAL_ELECTION?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-14-00-00-58) ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/87 "2011-09-14T04:29:55Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’ve been tempted to start a, “That’s it! The Presidential Election is Officially a Distraction from the Congressional Races!” If you are a Democratic candidate for congress, then [yes, it is indeed](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/13/ny_special_election_a_measure_of_obamas_strength_111321.html) and much to your sorrow. But hey, it must be another one of them there inexplicable outliers, just like losing Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat to a Republican. Gosh, there’s just no explanation for these things, is there . . . ---
**Author:** ![gatorslap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gatorslap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gatorslap)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/88 "2011-09-14T04:42:55Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Funny thread. What’s funny is the right’s _obsession_ with comparing any Democratic presidency or potential presidency to Carter. Before Obama took office, they were saying he’d be just like Carter. When people thought Hillary would be the Democratic nominee, they kept saying she’d be just like Carter. When Kerry was running for president, they were saying he would be just like Carter. Except when they were predicting Kerry’s loss, in which case he was part of the “McGovern-Mondale-Dukakis wing” of the Democratic Party, which doomed his electoral chances. Because that’s totally a wing of the party. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/89 "2011-09-14T05:00:03Z")
> [@gatorslap](#): > > What’s funny is the right’s _obsession_ with comparing any Democratic presidency or potential presidency to Carter. What other Democratic President are they going to want to make a comparison to? Carter’s the only Democratic President to not get re-elected since Andrew Johnson (with the obvious exception of Kennedy). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/90 "2011-09-14T05:01:52Z")
**Koxinga** , you do know, do you not, that special elections have an absolutely lousy correlation with presidential elections? Turnout is low, constituencies are small, and candidate quality is all over the map. When one’s party loses a special election, sure, that’s bad news, but it’s bad news because it shifts that house of congress one seat in the other direction, not because it bodes anything in particular for other elections. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/91 "2011-09-14T07:15:30Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > A likely barometer for Nov 2012 > > [NY-09 goes to the GOP for the first time since 1922](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NY_SPECIAL_ELECTION?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-14-00-00-58) Interesting you only mentioned one of the three special elections held in New York since 2008. In the special election for NY’s 28th, Democrat Kathy Hochul replaced Republican Chris Lee. And in the special election for NY’s 23rd Democrat Bill Owens replaced Republican John McHugh (and Owens was re-elected in 2010). And the last non-Republican that got elected in that district was a Whig. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/92 "2011-09-14T11:05:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Interesting you only mentioned one of the three special elections held in New York since 2008. In the special election for NY’s 28th, Democrat Kathy Hochul replaced Republican Chris Lee. And in the special election for NY’s 23rd Democrat Bill Owens replaced Republican John McHugh (and Owens was re-elected in 2010). And the last non-Republican that got elected in that district was a Whig. Interesting that you are trying to paint a happy face on a turd by dragging up an election from three years ago that has no bearing on the current political barometer readings ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/93 "2011-09-14T11:45:03Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Carter was not a bad president. Go ahead and insult \*any \*Republican if you want, but don’t insult people’s intelligence! hh ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/94 "2011-09-14T12:17:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Koxinga** , you do know, do you not, that special elections have an absolutely lousy correlation with presidential elections? Turnout is low, constituencies are small, and candidate quality is all over the map. When one’s party loses a special election, sure, that’s bad news, but it’s bad news because it shifts that house of congress one seat in the other direction, not because it bodes anything in particular for other elections. Then there’s the recall elections in Wisconsin wherein two formerly Republican districts switched parties, and zero Democratic districts did the same. But let’s ignore that and call it a “wake up call for dems”. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/95 "2011-09-14T12:30:56Z")
Hey, keep whistling past the graveyard, I don’t mind. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/96 "2011-09-14T12:31:25Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > A likely barometer for Nov 2012 > > [NY-09 goes to the GOP for the first time since 1922](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NY_SPECIAL_ELECTION?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-14-00-00-58) Bullshit. The Republicans once again exploited 9/11 for electoral gain, [tying Weprin to the “Ground Zero Mosque”](http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/turner_hits_weprin_on_mosque_aHx8Umqew7KFEe2JBDRtTN) So two days after the orgy of self-pity on The Tenth Anniversary of 9-11 ™, they wave the bloody shirt of 9/11 to bring out the bigot vote. BFD. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/97 "2011-09-14T12:47:18Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > OMG!!!111!!!1!!1 > > Some guy without a clue starts a thread about something he knows little or nothing about and draws erroneous conclusions from a false premise!!!111!!! > > The exclamation points make it completely believable, of course! Now that you got that off your chest you can go back to the 83 threads about Republican candidates. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/98 "2011-09-14T14:11:11Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Now that you got that off your chest you can go back to the 83 threads about Republican candidates. Aw, did the jabs at excessive punctuation hit a little too close to home? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/99 "2011-09-14T15:34:15Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Then there’s the recall elections in Wisconsin wherein two formerly Republican districts switched parties, and zero Democratic districts did the same. But let’s ignore that and call it a “wake up call for dems”. Why don’t you ignore that in the last year Wisconsin went from a Dem control Assembly, Dem Controlled State Senate and Democrat controlled Governors office, to Republican in all 3, plus 2 Wisconsin Congressional seats held by Democrats turned Republican, and a long time Democratic U.S. Senator defeated by a Republican. And the Republicans took over the U.S. House. This isn’t a wake up call?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022/100 "2011-09-14T15:44:01Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Why don’t you ignore that in the last year Wisconsin went from a Dem control Assembly, Dem Controlled State Senate and Democrat controlled Governors office, to Republican in all 3, plus 2 Wisconsin Congressional seats held by Democrats turned Republican, and a long time Democratic U.S. Senator defeated by a Republican. > > And the Republicans took over the U.S. House. This isn’t a wake up call?😕 It happens in nearly every off year election. What exactly is it we should be waking up to? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-it-obama-is-jimmy-carter-and-he-is-finished/596022.md?page=6)