# I'm calling you a liar, Sir/Madam. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174 "2015-06-22T20:23:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/121 "2015-06-23T14:23:38Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > I know Kim Kardashian is famous for marrying Bruce Jenner and now married to a girl Jenner. She has some sisters, and people online are all talking about the Kardashians. I know they have a reality show, but I’ve never seen it. I’m certain I’ve seen some Kardashians parodied in some type of Simpsons-like or SNL-like context – possibly Family Guy. Kim Kardashian’s MOM, Kris, married (and divorced) Bruce Jenner. Nobody is married to Caitlyn Jenner. Previously Kris was married to Robert Kardashian. Kim is married to Kanye West. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/122 "2015-06-23T14:28:50Z")
I know that Kim Kardashian is a porn star who is on some reality show on E!. I know that she is somehow related to Bruce Jenner. I remember that it was weird that Bruce Jenner was associated with some reality show because I hadn’t thought about him since he was on a Wheaties box when I was a kid. Then Bruce became Caitlyn and that was the second time I had thought about Jenner since I was a kid. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/123 "2015-06-23T14:49:33Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Looks like a vague notion to me. Although certainly less vague after this thread. Vague notions count. As **Fiveyearlurker** suggested up-thread, nobody is accusing anybody of secretly being a card carrying member of their fan club. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/124 "2015-06-23T14:58:31Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I really don’t get what skin it is off your back to prove that we know something about her, anyway. No skin. Just a pet peeve. > [@Anaamika](#): > > I don’t watch the Daily Show or SNL either! I know this is amazing to you people, but some of us have different tastes! Nonsense. Everyone tastes like chicken. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/125 "2015-06-23T15:04:53Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > One of the reasons that the NY Times is worth every penny is that they don’t spend any valuable column inches on these idiots. They don’t? > **[The New York Times - Breaking News, US News, World News and Videos](https://www.nytimes.com?action=click&contentCollection®ion=TopBar&WT.nav=searchWidget&module=SearchSubmit&pgtype=Homepage)** > > Live news, investigations, opinion, photos and video by the journalists of The New York Times from more than 150 countries around the world. Subscribe for coverage of U.S. and international news, politics, business, technology, science, health, arts,... ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/126 "2015-06-23T15:10:56Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > She stars in a reality show and married an NBA player. > [@Kimballkid](#): > > Kim married the rapper, Kanye West. > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Kim was married to NBA player Kris Humphries, before she married West. At least that’s what Wikipedia says. :smack: I forgot about him. Probably because that marriage only lasted about 2 and a half months or so. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/127 "2015-06-23T15:24:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > … **Vague notions count** … > [@QuickSilver](#): > > That’s right. A liar. > > Do not for a second try to tell me that you don’t know who Kim Kardashian is or \*\*pretend that you only have some vague notion \*\*about the Kardashians in general. > > … bolding mine. So do vague notions count or not? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/128 "2015-06-23T15:29:08Z")
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8PtXAN0Yw8) _How I Met Your Mother_ clip seems appropriate (watch all the way to the end, it’s only a minute or so). ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/129 "2015-06-23T15:30:56Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Some of us in this thread now know a bit more about these particular celebrities than before we began reading. I certainly do. I don’t know how much of it I’ll retain, because, as I mentioned above, I really don’t care. I’ve got more useful things for my long term memory to do. Such as don’t enter the Hall of the Fire Lord until you’ve got at least expert level Lloyd’s Beacon. Now that’s important! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/130 "2015-06-23T16:04:07Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I certainly do. I don’t know how much of it I’ll retain, because, as I mentioned above, I really don’t care. I’ve got more useful things for my long term memory to do. Such as don’t enter the Hall of the Fire Lord until you’ve got at least expert level Lloyd’s Beacon. Now that’s important! This morning I learned that Kim has a sister named Khloe, and then I promptly forgot everything I know about particle physics. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/131 "2015-06-23T16:07:59Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I know there is a Kardashian named Kim. I know she has been on TV and there is something about “keeping up” with them. I would not recognize a Kardashian from a picture. The name Taylor Swift has been in the news the last couple of days regarding streaming. I know nothing else about her. I lie not. I don’t live in a cave but being over 50 is sort of like a cave. I know who Kim Kardashian is now, actually more than someone my age should know about her and her vapid family. Last year at this time, however, I had no idea who she was, although I’d heard the name in media. This is where I am now with Taylor Swift, I’ve heard the name, I presume she is some kind of teeny-bop singer (I don’t care enough to look it up), but I have no idea what she looks like, or what she sings, or why I should care. She’ll probably have a sex tape in a year or so and we all will be unable to avoid her. Bleh. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/132 "2015-06-23T16:11:03Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > This morning I learned that Kim has a sister named Khloe, and then I promptly forgot everything I know about particle physics. Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Every time I learn something new, something old gets pushed off the end of the stack. :rolleyes: I’m just dubious as to how much trouble my brain is going to go through to transfer this stuff from short-term to long-term memory. I hope none; I could be wrong. Ask me in a week. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/133 "2015-06-23T16:39:40Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > So do vague notions count or not? Oh, good one. You got me there! I shall choose my words more carefully next time. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/134 "2015-06-23T17:30:41Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Such as don’t enter the Hall of the Fire Lord until you’ve got at least expert level Lloyd’s Beacon. Now that’s important! Lloyd’s Beacon is for pussies. And for people who don’t save after ever devil they kill… ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/135 "2015-06-23T17:46:54Z")
I know enough about the Kardashians to know that what little I know is more than I need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/136 "2015-06-23T17:56:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But this is the very reason I don’t believe these protestations of not knowing who they are, and even worse the feigning ignorance statements like “Well, I think Kim Kardashian is, like, a small Mexican boy or something, right?” Until recently, I did legitimately think that the Kardashians were on _The Jersey Shore_. They’re not, right? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/137 "2015-06-23T18:16:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Until recently, I did legitimately think that the Kardashians were on _The Jersey Shore_. > > They’re not, right? You must now hand in your moderator badge and privileges. I’m sorry. But we have standards. Low though they may be. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/138 "2015-06-23T18:49:00Z")
> [@emcee2k](#): > > Also, being proud of not knowing things is really stupid. Most people haven’t said they were proud about not knowing about them. Some people, however, have implied that people should be ashamed to not know about them, which is _really_ stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/139 "2015-06-23T18:52:52Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You must now hand in your moderator badge and privileges. > > I’m sorry. But we have standards. Low though they may be. He deserves the title “Director of Moderators” for that. I have no idea why anyone would expect people to keep up with “popular culture”. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174/140 "2015-06-23T18:58:31Z")
I know who the K people are, but I never did figure just why they’re so famous, how it all started. Every time I think about googling to find the answer once and for all, I get sidetracked by pics of tits and ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-calling-you-a-liar-sir-madam/723174.md?page=8)