# I'm certainly no fan of\_\_\_\_\_, but you've got to hand it to them... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 6, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297 "2007-09-06T22:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/41 "2007-09-11T15:24:32Z")
Flame on. **Rush Limbaugh**. From a music disc jockey who called himself Jeff Christie, to one of the most listened to, most reviled, and at the same time most admired radio talk show hosts in the world, Rush has made an art out of being controversial, being topical and current (if one-sided and occasionally downright mean), and most of all, making a butt-load (or would that be nose-load?) of money. If only my Radio career had been that successful… ---
**Author:** ![Silence\_of\_the\_clams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Silence\_of\_the\_clams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silence_of_the_clams)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/42 "2007-09-11T15:41:41Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] I said the same thing in an other thread, but… Musically, Jon Bon Jovi has never held much appeal for me. Still, the guy has… 1. Kept the same band with the same personnel together for 25+ years. 2. Stayed married to his high school girlfriend for 25+ years. 3. Worked at becoming a decent actor in small roles and in indie films, rather than going the Rick Springfield/Mariah Carey approach and making a horrible star-vehicle like “Glitter.” [/QUOTE] I’m certainly no fan of Mariah Carey, but she sure deserves a statue of her bust. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/43 "2007-09-11T16:16:13Z")
Bond. James Bond. I tried to read one of the Iam Fleming books and found it boring drivel. There must be something to the books and the movies but I don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/44 "2007-09-12T03:44:03Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] As always, the Left gives Rove waaaaaaaaay too much credit. What did Karl Rove ever accomplish that ANY semi-competent strategist couldn’t/wouldn’t have? Start with Bush’s election as governor. Bush was a likable guy with a conservative record and a modrate image. He had 100% name recognition, because of his Dad. He was a Republican in a tate that had turned overwhelmingly Republican long before he came along (if Clayton Williams hadn’t been such a dolt, and hadn’t kept saying stupid, offensive things, Ann Richards would have been slaughtered 4 years earlier). With all that going for him, George W. Bush could have won in a cakewalk with ANY campaign manager! He didn’t NEED a genius to make him governor. And once he was governor of Texas… once again, he became the logical front-runner for the GOP nomination. I know I’ll be repeating myself, but look at all Bush’s strengths: 1. He had a famous name, and 100% name recognition. 2. He was governor of one of the largest states of the Union. 3. He had a conservative record and a moderate image. 4. He was a likable guy. That alone would have made him the man to beat in the GOP primaries in 2000. It didn’t take a genius to win him the nomination! Now, once Bush had the nomination, the election looked like a toss-up to practically everybody. I was sure it would be a squeaker, as were most observers. If Rove were a genius, Bush would have done MUCH better than he did. If Rove were a genius, Bush would have won at LEAST one state where the Republicans usually have no chance. So quick, name me a state Bush won that NEVER/ALMOST NEVER goes Republican. Answer: there WEREN’T any such states. Bush solely won by carrying states that are always/usually Republican strongholds. ANY decent campaign manager could have accomplished that. [/QUOTE] Maybe any decent political adviser could have made Bush Governor or President, but winning the 2004 election took some serious skill. The shift toward extreme conservatism should have died in 2004, when it was apparent that tax cuts weren’t helping us, abstinence education was causing more anal sex and the administration has repeatedly lied about the situation in Iraq. Instead it lasted two more years, and thats only because of the GOP and Rove could not spin Katrina, government phone taps, and the civil war breaking out in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/45 "2007-09-12T05:09:54Z")
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas] William Jefferson Clinton … marres a rich woman and keeps the marriage stable despite… [/QUOTE] A rich woman? ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/46 "2007-09-12T08:22:46Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Like I always say, the Nazis may have been evil, but they had the best uniforms of all time. Their SS officer’s uniforms outclassed the Allies’ by a mile - no, by \*six million \*miles. [dodges thrown objects] I mean, from an aesthetic standpoint - the combination of red, white, and black just looks _good._ And they had all kinds of leather belts and straps and stuff all over everything, which looks super intimidating. So while they may have been some evil motherfuckers, they really dressed to kill. [/QUOTE] The Nazis were just scary-good at all kinds of graphics and design; they could do more with simple graphics than almost anyone before or since, and their design of cities (i.e. what the new Berlin was supposed to look like, before the Allies took it all apart with high explosives) was both visually stunning and an engineering marvel for the late '30s when it was done. I guess Albert Speers knew a thing or two about how to make a city look fantastic and work well. **Miller** said it best: > [@Miller](#): > > Pity about all the evil ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/47 "2007-09-12T09:39:50Z")
I’m no fan of USC, but I sure as hell made sure my dentist went there. (My GP is a Bruin though.) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/48 "2007-09-12T11:27:21Z")
I hate the company that screwed me out of my last consulting gig, but they make damn fine pacemakers. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/49 "2007-09-12T16:40:20Z")
[QUOTE=Intelligently Designed] My ex. She dumped me unceremoniously (and all the while lying), but man was she good at, well, you know. [/QUOTE] I hate it when people do that! I’ve been awake all night wondering …was she good at juggling? Was she good at doing impersonations of minor celebrities if they ever had cause to speak in an Irish accent and pretended to have falsetto voices? Did she have a special talent for training ferrets about to be released into the wild? Its driving me insane !what exactly was she good at ? ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/50 "2007-09-12T16:48:20Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Not just the uniforms, but just design aesthetic in general. German tanks, for example, look a hell of a lot more dangerous than their allied counterparts. Great architecture, too. Pity about all the evil. [/QUOTE] Yes I agree about the Nazis(except for their architecture) ,on the evil front the Soviets and Maoists were just as evil but for style ! How could people so evil have such shit uniforms?They had literally NOTHING going for them ! ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/51 "2007-09-12T19:05:41Z")
[QUOTE=Lust4Life] How could people so evil have such shit uniforms?They had literally NOTHING going for them ! [/QUOTE] Oh, and worst of all was the Soviet architecture. Why did every damn thing have to be rectangular and made of naked concrete? Ick. How could this be the same nation of people who built the Kremlin and St. Basil’s? ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2007, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297/52 "2007-09-14T13:10:08Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Oh, and worst of all was the Soviet architecture. Why did every damn thing have to be rectangular and made of naked concrete? Ick. How could this be the same nation of people who built the Kremlin and St. Basil’s? [/QUOTE] Same thing in England. They built the wonderful St Paul’s Cathedral, they built Big Ben and Parliament. They also built rubbish tower blocks of nothing but concrete that turn ugly gray when wet, which exist as nothing more than a future demolition site and crack-scoring area. Awful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-certainly-no-fan-of_____-but-youve-got-to-hand-it-to-them/418297.md?page=2)