# I'm confounded that no one is asking about the two ABORTIONS that Wendy Davis had. Is she a liar?

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**Created:** [September 30, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996 "2014-09-30T18:50:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/21 "2014-09-30T19:12:55Z")

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What difference does it make why she had her abortions? How is this anyone’s business but hers?

Plus, you have zero evidence she lied. You’re just talking trash on the internet, thinking you’ll make someone else look bad, only instead, you look like a moron.

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/22 "2014-09-30T19:13:17Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Maybe he’s with the LAPD.

[Los Angeles, Texas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles,_Texas) only has a population of about 20, so I doubt they even have their own police department, let alone that Wendy Davis has ever committed a crime within their jurisdiction. And that’s the only place in Texas I could find with the initials L.A., so I’m not really sure what point you’re making here.

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**Author:** ![kstarnes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4da419/32.png) [@kstarnes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kstarnes)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/23 "2014-09-30T19:13:30Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> According to [her memoir](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Davis_(politician)#Early_life.2C_education.2C_and_family), the abortions came _after_ her two daughters were born, and were due to an ectopic pregnancy and the fetus suffering Dandy-Walker syndrome.

1. Wikipedia

2. Source: self-serving “memoir.”

Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

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**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/24 "2014-09-30T19:13:55Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> Here is what I suspect: She had two abortions because she wasn’t ready to be a mother. It wasn’t for medical reasons. She’s lying. She’s a liar.

Let’s say this is correct. Now what?

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/25 "2014-09-30T19:14:33Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

If she’s accomplished nothing, then why do you even care about her abortions?

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/26 "2014-09-30T19:15:04Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> 1. Wikipedia
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> 2. Source: self-serving “memoir.”
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> Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

You said she had the abortions before she had her daughters. What evidence do you have that her abortions occurred before her daughters were born?

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/27 "2014-09-30T19:16:05Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> 1. Wikipedia

Wikipedia agrees with **iiandyiii**.

> [@Smapti](#):
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> If she’s accomplished nothing, then why do you even care about her abortions?

If not for her political career she could be making **kstarnes** a sammich right this minute!

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/28 "2014-09-30T19:18:06Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> 1. Wikipedia
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> 2. Source: self-serving “memoir.”
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> Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

And the slack-jawed troll responds.

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/29 "2014-09-30T19:20:38Z")

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In some ways, I envy people whose lives are so empty of problems as to consider this an issue worth expending mental energy on. Then I remember that I have people who love me and who I love in return, and the envy vanishes.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/30 "2014-09-30T19:20:40Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> According to [her memoir](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Davis_(politician)#Early_life.2C_education.2C_and_family), the abortions came _after_ her two daughters were born, and were due to an ectopic pregnancy and the fetus suffering Dandy-Walker syndrome.

Interesting that the OP hid those details and instead tried to use scare quotes around ‘medical’ to imply something more sinister, a typical scumbag tactic.

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**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/31 "2014-09-30T19:21:33Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> She’s lying. She’s a liar.

Well, we knew that [already](http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/sep/25/wendy-davis/wendy-davis-catches-fire-incorrect-claim-about-gre/) for other reasons. Given that, her fudging the facts about her background otherwise, and her filibuster in support of late-term abortions, it is, I suppose, reasonable to question whether or not she is fibbing about her abortions as well, but it won’t matter. The pro-abortion types will vote for her anyway and the antis won’t even if she is telling the truth about her abortions, which she might be doing.

Regards,  
Shodan

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**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/32 "2014-09-30T19:21:35Z")

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Why would anybody care about this ridiculous non-issue?

Wendy Davis is running as the _Democratic_ candidate for Governor of Texas, and thus her constituency is mostly the rational, responsible majority that consider the termination of pregnancy to be a private matter between a pregnant woman and her doctor (at least in the early stages of pregnancy).

Wendy Davis had the right to terminate any of her pregnancies in the first trimester for any reason she saw fit, whether it involved gynecological medical concerns, simply not wanting to be pregnant, alarm about an unfavorable horoscope, fetal developmental abnormalities, or any other damn thing in the world. _And she doesn’t owe anybody who was not involved in that decision any explanation whatever about why she made that choice._

Let Republicans/conservatives apply their Talibanesque codes of demonizing and punishing female autonomy to their own female candidates, who have actually signed on in support of those codes. Democratic politicians haven’t endorsed any such horseshit, and if any fanatical Republicons like the OP try to pressure a Democratic candidate about why she had an abortion, she should just laugh right in their silly faces.

> [@kstarnes](#):
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> A gentleman is not supposed to ask about a woman’s abortion but I’m no gentleman (and she’s no lady)

What gibbering idiocy is this? The actual rule is that **no** civilized person, male or female, asks about **any** details of the medical history of **any** other person, male or female, that are strictly a private and personal matter. Such as, for instance, an abortion. Being a “gentleman” or “lady” has nothing whatever to do with it.

Also, I can’t help noticing that you couldn’t even get your own distorted version of this rule to make any sense. If a gentleman isn’t supposed to ask about **any** woman’s abortion, whether or not she’s a lady, then the question of whether or not you consider Davis to be a lady has nothing to do with it. Dumbfuck.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/33 "2014-09-30T19:21:50Z")

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Were these abortions performed in Kenya? Can we see the long form abortion certificate?

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/34 "2014-09-30T19:23:10Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> She’s lying. She’s a liar.

Wouldn’t her pants not being ablaze speak against your claim?

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**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/35 "2014-09-30T19:23:19Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> 1. Wikipedia
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> 2. Source: self-serving “memoir.”
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> Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

She got those abortions that piss you off so much. That’s pretty cool.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/36 "2014-09-30T19:23:25Z")

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> [@Kimstu](#):
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> Why would anybody care about this ridiculous non-issue?

Post #7.

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/37 "2014-09-30T19:23:50Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> 1. Wikipedia
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> 2. Source: self-serving “memoir.”
> 
> Wendy Davis doesn’t need to be releasing a memoir. She has accomplished nothing.

So…hang on, let me get this clear:  
-This Wendy Davis person voluntarily tells people she’s had abortions. That part is believable, and prompts immediate conspiracy theories.  
-But when she expands on that fact to explain when and how those abortions happened, somehow THAT information then becomes “self-serving” and not credible.

Both bits of information come from the same source: HER. How can you possibly justify believing one bit but not the other bit as anything other than personal prejudice? The ONLY reason you can have for not believing the second bit is because you don’t want it to be true.

And if she’s so “self-serving”, wouldn’t it have been smarter and easier to not talk about the abortions?

I’m so confused. It’s almost as if this chain of logic is tissue-paper thin and already starting to shred into tiny slivers of stupid.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/38 "2014-09-30T19:24:34Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> Well, we knew that [already](http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/sep/25/wendy-davis/wendy-davis-catches-fire-incorrect-claim-about-gre/) for other reasons. Given that, her fudging the facts about her background otherwise, and her filibuster in support of late-term abortions, it is, I suppose, reasonable to question whether or not she is fibbing about her abortions as well, but it won’t matter. The pro-abortion types will vote for her anyway and the antis won’t even if she is telling the truth about her abortions, which she might be doing.
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> Regards,  
> Shodan

Look! The slack-jawed troll has a cheerleader!

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**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/39 "2014-09-30T19:25:17Z")

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Nitpick: It should be spelled **ABORTIONS** or even _ **ABORTIONS** _, although Strunk and White say that _ABO_R_T_I_O_N_S_\*\* is also acceptable.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-confounded-that-no-one-is-asking-about-the-two-abortions-that-wendy-davis-had-is-she-a-liar/699996/40 "2014-09-30T19:27:08Z")

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> [@kstarnes](#):
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> She has accomplished nothing.

If she accomplished nothing that is only because the shitbag Texas state Republican Legislators changed the rules to suit their sneak-a-law game several times.

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