# I'm frightened for my country **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795 "2018-07-12T17:49:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/21 "2018-07-13T13:05:16Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I kind of think some local Trump loving LEO thought this up on his own. I believe it was related to who she is, but I don’t see President PeePee’s tiny handprints on it. Which is still worrisome, as it reflects how his local-level devotees feel emboldened to do whatever it takes/they want, to “put in their place” those who are not on his side. Which as mentioned, any Black or Latino citizen will tell you is not a new idea. And BTW, enforcement of “arm’s length” anti-lapdance laws/ordinances about strip joints is a joke in many states or localities that have them, being mostly just this, a harassment tool. They only get dusted off when you want to make a show of it or if neighbors are complaining of a nuisance or if you need some sort of probable cause for arrests to \*then \*seek what else may be up. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/22 "2018-07-13T15:29:51Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > The US has always had traits of dictatorship towards people society doesn’t value. Ask black people in Mississippi in 1940 about the bill of rights, see what they say. > > I do worry, because about 30 million American voters don’t respect democracy or western values, and another 30 million voters are their enablers. > > I think we are becoming like Poland or turkey. Angry rural folks upset by multiculturalism and turning back the clock on western values. > > I used to think as they died off, the country would get better. But who knows. Maybe their kids will be just as bad. The country would be better off if people who disagreed with you died? That does not seem like a healthy attitude. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/23 "2018-07-13T17:12:13Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The country would be better off if people who disagreed with you died? That does not seem like a healthy attitude. Meh, beats wanting to _help_ them die. (I’m suddenly reminded of a sticker I saw on a car coming to work this morning: “If you don’t want to stand behind our military, try standing in front of them.” Umm…) Also, he’s not wishing them dead; he’s recognizing that if they did happen to die they would improve the situation by their absence, because while they’re around they act and vote in unpleasant ways. That’s hardly a controversial opinion, for the given definitions of “improve” and “pleasant”. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/24 "2018-07-13T17:22:34Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The country would be better off if people who disagreed with you died? That does not seem like a healthy attitude. I don’t think he’s talking about people who simply disagree with him. At least, I hope not. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/25 "2018-07-13T20:06:58Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I kind of think some local Trump loving LEO thought this up on his own. I believe it was related to who she is, but I don’t see President PeePee’s tiny handprints on it. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/26 "2018-07-13T22:36:56Z")
Vote. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/27 "2018-07-13T22:41:29Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Vote. This is advice that works best if you’re in a swing state, mind you. Myself all I’ve gotten from voting was a profound sense that I’d wasted my time - a sense that was borne out in the election outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/28 "2018-07-13T22:44:09Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Um, can I see a cite for that? You saw the cite. No admission that the statement has been 100% proven? Ahhhhh… must be that “Fake News” stuff that’s going around… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/29 "2018-07-13T23:15:45Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You saw the cite. > > No admission that the statement has been 100% proven? > > Ahhhhh… must be that “Fake News” stuff that’s going around… :dubious: You’re talking about a guy who thought _“No. It is not.”_ was a strong rebuttal. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/30 "2018-07-14T00:27:11Z")
From today’s Columbus Dispatch: _“Franklin County municipal court records show 15 people have been charged under the illegal touching law so far in 2018, up from 16 in 2017 and seven in 2016.”_ I’m willing to bet that most of those charged were not Stormy Daniels.\* The article also notes that the Ohio law against touching customers “states it is illegal for an employee who regularly appears nude or semi-nude on the premises of a sexually oriented business.” So the “mistake” referenced by the police chief in describing the dismissing of charges appears to have been made in that Daniels wasn’t a “regular” at the club. Or maybe the dismissal and official investigation of the arresting officers’ motives are all part of an elaborate plan by the Trumpians to plunge us into the dark ages of repression. > [@contradancer](#): > > In Vilnius I took a walk through the underground torture chambers and prison in a large building downtown. On the top floor lived the SS and their families. Don’t want to relive what they did to those people down below. Most were Jews, grabbed off the streets with no warning. First they came for the strippers, and then… :eek::eek::eek::eek::smack::smack::smack::smack::eek::eek::eek::eek: \*which is not to say that none of them ever dated Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/31 "2018-07-14T00:54:01Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > First they came for the strippers, and then… Not funny. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/32 "2018-07-14T01:30:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Not funny. Quite true. Godwin attempts are occasionally a bit amusing in their ineptitude, but the OP’s contradance manages to be pitifully lame and offensive at the same time, without the benefit of humor. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/33 "2018-07-14T02:09:29Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You saw the cite. > > No admission that the statement has been 100% proven? > > Ahhhhh… must be that “Fake News” stuff that’s going around… :dubious: > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re talking about a guy who thought _“No. It is not.”_ was a strong rebuttal. Don’t need to. I can accept a cite without comment, can’t I? That doesn’t mean I accept the validity of the OP, though. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/34 "2018-07-14T13:47:00Z")
Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/35 "2018-07-14T13:59:06Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > This is advice that works best if you’re in a swing state, mind you. Myself all I’ve gotten from voting was a profound sense that I’d wasted my time - a sense that was borne out in the election outcomes. Well… Yes and no. Trump and congress are so bad it has turned me into a party instead of policy voter. I will vote for anyone in all elections as long as they don’t have an (R) next to their name. Sheriff to County Clerk. Maybe, MAYBE if congress sees this shift they will do their god dam job and get rid of this asshole. I will now be voting that way for the rest of my life. The republican party needs to change or go away. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/36 "2018-07-14T22:16:10Z")
Harassing sex workers and harassing women who stand up for themselves is nothing new, while I’m not a fan of Trump it’s just silly to treat cops bullying a minority as some new feature of the Trump era. ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/37 "2018-07-14T23:07:22Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You saw the cite. > > No admission that the statement has been 100% proven? > > Ahhhhh… must be that “Fake News” stuff that’s going around… :dubious: It sounds like a problem with the local government and not Trump. If the local government caves to the demands of a real estate mogul, that is a government problem. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/38 "2018-07-15T00:35:12Z")
I actually mused that this latest event might have been engineered by anti-trump forces. It put the embarrassing Stormy scandal back in the headlines and created a bit more taint around trump by association. The thought wasn’t serious, but still, this story doesn’t seem like a win for the Trillion Ton Toddler. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/39 "2018-07-15T03:06:43Z")
> [@contradancer](#): > > I was born in CA. My ancestors landed here in the 1700’s. I’m American. I’m not extensively traveled but I have lived in Australia, Poland, Germany, Lithuania. In Vilnius I took a walk through the underground torture chambers and prison in a large building downtown. On the top floor lived the SS and their families. Don’t want to relive what they did to those people down below. Most were Jews, grabbed off the streets with no warning. The people walking around in a town freed from the Russians only a scant two years prior to when I lived there, when you looked into their eyes they were haunted by memories of an indescribable fear. I reacted by often having this dread in the pit of my stomach, like I was taking on their experiences. I saw the pits where the Germans just dumped dead bodies, not far out of town. I am not normally melodramatic, but Trump has created this possibility for Americans and dragged it over that line I never thought we would cross in my lifetime. Stormy being arrested adds one more thing as we creep towards that nightmare of living like they do in, for example, the Congo or the Philippines. well, you have to see it and feel it. I hope to God Trump is not reelected and has to suffer the consequences of his maniacal decisions. I believe in the implications of the small things people do. He forced an aged woman and her brother to walk miles every day to haul water to their small farm because one of his golf courses disrupted their water supply. He has no kindness, no compassion, just a dick that he wants to put in every female he can get away with. That is his definition of manhood. He’s pitiful and very, very dangerous. I’m not sure about my handle? I used to contradance, so I used it. Contradancer- I can’t begin to speak to what you have seen. But completely agree that trump is a villain. There are plenty of words to describe him, but to be short, villain will serve the pupose. My Wife and I visited Bavaria a few years ago. On that trip I had to make one stop. My uncle Richard was in the group of G.I.'s that liberated Dachau. One of the first concentration camps. 14,000 murdered there. I walked the grounds. My uncle was one that was lucky to survive the war, but came back broken after liberating Dachau. My mom, his sister knows. But prefers not to share it. I’m as agnostic as they come. But if it helps. Bless you. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795/40 "2018-07-15T03:19:01Z")
I’d never snitch anyone out to a moderator directly, so I’ll just ask here: **contradancer** can you please refrain from using that confrontational, insulting, and frankly arrogant signature? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-frightened-for-my-country/817795.md?page=3)