# I'm fucking mad at the people in the US who support and promote adult bullies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2015, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417 "2015-08-21T07:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/61 "2015-08-21T18:56:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > _Applause_ > > Republicans, listen to **Terr**. Trump is your best hope! Nominate the man! Yes, because it’s not old and tired to post the “teehee look how clever I am, I will pretend to like Trump because Hillary will crush him” crap. Like you invented it or something. Be careful what you wish for. All I can say. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/62 "2015-08-21T19:00:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, because it’s not old and tired to post the “teehee look how clever I am, I will pretend to like Trump because Hillary will crush him” crap. Like you invented it or something. > > Be careful what you wish for. All I can say. Is this sarcasm? Was your false dig about me not pointing out liberal bullying when I actually explicitly did also sarcasm? It’s so hard to tell sometimes. Go Trump go! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/63 "2015-08-21T19:04:18Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Trump extremely shrewdly calculated and understood the current voter Zeitgeist - and not just the Republicans’ either. The robotic, advisor-and-poll driven, everything-is-a-talking-point politicians have completely turned off the voters. The other candidates, Republican and Democrat, have so deeply incorporated these robotic tactics that they could not act natural if their lives depended on it. Trump looks natural and sounds natural. He, very calculatingly, KNOWS how to do it. No other politician seems to. Sanders tries, but he is a pale shadow. So he shrewdly and calculatingly looks and sounds natural. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/64 "2015-08-21T19:07:41Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So he shrewdly and calculatingly looks and sounds natural. Got it. When you’re as smart and classy as Trump, things like this are easy. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/65 "2015-08-21T19:57:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So he shrewdly and calculatingly looks and sounds natural. Got it. Yes. It’s hard to do. That’s why no other politicians can carry it off. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/66 "2015-08-21T20:06:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, because it’s not old and tired to post the “teehee look how clever I am, I will pretend to like Trump because Hillary will crush him” crap. Like you invented it or something. > > Be careful what you wish for. All I can say. As pointed before and elsewhere, there is a lot of Republicans that are criticizing Trump. For getting into the pea pod with nativist bullies. > **[Contempt hearing unmasks Joe Arpaio](https://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/04/24/joe-arpaio-contempt-hearing/26316123/)** > > Laurie Roberts: America's scariest sheriff should resign. > **[Trump Rally With Sheriff Joe Arpaio Will Be Single Most Anti-Immigrant Event...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/07/donald-trump-arizona-anti-immigrant-sheriff-joe-arpaio-appearing-with-2016-candidate-in-phoenix-saturday.html)** > > Donald Trump will hold a rally in Arizona this weekend with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the Arizona Republic reports, a function that has the... > [@](#): > > Trump’s birtherism was reportedly one of the reasons Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake found it distasteful that the Maricopa County Republicans were hosting Saturday’s rally. When Flake appealed to the party this week to reconsider its involvement, the county chairmain responded that he was “thrilled” Trump was coming and scolded Flake for violating the Reagan rule that “thou shall not speak ill of any other Republican.” And it is not only in the Political world, what gave me hope for the future was seeing many SDMB conservatives repudiating Trump for this and other reasons. Like making it less likely that the Republicans will use the Oval Office any time soon. > **[Donald Trump is the harbinger of GOP doom: The devastating history lesson...](https://www.salon.com/2015/08/20/donald_trump_is_the_harbinger_of_gop_doom_the_devastating_history_lesson_that_republicans_are_completely_ignoring/)** > > More and more are candidates getting sucked into Trump's immigration vortex — bad news if you're a Republican > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, their base doesn’t care about their models and their projections; they are convinced that immigrants are the source of all their troubles. And that’s a huge problem. A recent analysis by Latino Decisions shows that Republicans need to get at least 47 percent of the Latino vote in order to win in 2016. (For reference, Mitt Romney won 23 percent.) > > I’m going to take a wild guess that Donald Trump and the cowardly clown car that’s chasing him have just made achieving that 47 percent figure impossible. It’s very hard to imagine that they can put this nativist genie back in the bottle. Even Jeb Bush, who is married to a Mexican American, was out on the campaign trail talking about “anchor babies” yesterday. All GOP candidates are getting drawn into the vortex, whether they want to or not. And some of them are just diving in had first: > > [Tweets by Ben Carson] > > In case it wasn’t clear, Dr Ben Carson, the man who is coming in second in many GOP presidential polls, is suggesting that the government use armed drones to kill undocumented immigrants. Pete Wilson was a bleeding heart liberal by comparison. > > Wilson’s California Republicans are now a rump party of angry, white Tea Partyers and a handful professional operatives. It’s a very sad motley group compared to the political juggernaut that produced Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. > > There used to be an old saying “As California goes, so goes the nation” meaning that California was the modern, forward thinking laboratory of democracy which started the trends that everyone else would soon follow. If that holds true in this case of this Latino bashing, the Republicans are in for a long road back from the debacle of 2016. That it is really you and other Trunp supporters the ones that do not notice that that saying about “Be careful what you wish for” applies very well to you and your ilk that is wilfully ignoring what that extreme nativism will lead to. But we are happy to see you guys drive the clown car over the precipice. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/67 "2015-08-21T20:08:15Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Trumps’ boastful, over the top, in your face, persona is playing to the public. Very successfully, by the way. Thank goodness he’s not just another poll-driven politician pandering to what the public wants. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/68 "2015-08-21T20:12:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes. It’s hard to do. That’s why no other politicians can carry it off. Well, except Obama…and Bush…and Bill Clinton… and Ronald Reagan…and Carter…and Ford…and Johnson… and Kennedy…and Eisenhower and Roosevelt and the other Roosevelt. You may have scored with Bush I and Nixon, though! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/69 "2015-08-21T20:17:27Z")
I was listening to yesterday’s Maddow show earlier this morning and she played a couple clips of Trump’s speeches. He is very, very good at sounding like your best friend, I’ll give him that. Not feeling particularly driven to vote for him though. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/70 "2015-08-21T20:18:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That wasn’t bullying, unless like ‘rape’, ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’ the term is stretched so far and spread so thin that it loses all real world meaning. > > In the first place I don’t think Trump meant to attack Klum so much as to stealth brag about the beauty of the women he’s always dated. It’s also possible that Klum slighted him at some point in the past and he saw an opportunity to get back at her and took it. > > But be that as it may, men and women make judgements as to each other’s attractiveness. It happens, big deal. It’s bullying, because, in order to boast about his sexual success, Trump insulted a woman who was just minding her own business. He couldn’t just talk about all the beautiful women he’s dated; he had to try and pump up his desirability by insulting someone else. The fact that the insult involved the common misogynistic trope of slamming her for her age is just the cherry on the top of his pathological megalomania. > [@](#): > > Why do I suspect that if Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton were to make some comment along the lines of how they didn’t think Brad Pitt was all that anymore we wouldn’t be hearing a word about it from you guys? When Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton announce that they would totally have dated Brad Pitt, back before he became such an ancient hag, you be sure to let us know. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/71 "2015-08-21T20:18:26Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Well, except Obama…and Bush…and Bill Clinton… and Ronald Reagan…and Carter…and Ford…and Johnson… and Kennedy…and Eisenhower and Roosevelt and the other Roosevelt. > > You may have scored with Bush I and Nixon, though! Bill Clinton knew how to carry it off, yes. He’s the only one, really. Not Reagan - he was as wooden/robotic/formulaic as others. Definitely not Bush - either of them. Carter was not natural. I have heard Ford/Johnson/Kennedy speeches, no, they were maybe “presidential” but definitely not natural. The others are before my time, but I very much doubt they were natural sounding. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/72 "2015-08-21T20:19:39Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I was listening to yesterday’s Maddow show earlier this morning and she played a couple clips of Trump’s speeches. He is very, very good at sounding like your best friend, I’ll give him that. Not feeling particularly driven to vote for him though. He’s not playing to the hardcore Democrat base. But then that’s just what - less than 30% of the voters. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/73 "2015-08-21T20:23:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Trump extremely shrewdly calculated and understood the current voter Zeitgeist - and not just the Republicans’ either. The robotic, advisor-and-poll driven, everything-is-a-talking-point politicians have completely turned off the voters. With apologies to Ben Goldacre, “repeat after me: Washington being shit does not mean loudmouthed buffoons cure political cancer.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/74 "2015-08-21T20:28:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > He’s not playing to the hardcore Democrat base. But then that’s just what - less than 30% of the voters. Lets look at the big picture, once again, not all Republicans are going for Trump: > **[Donald Trump Is The Nickelback Of GOP Candidates](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-the-nickelback-of-gop-candidates/)** > > Despite what you may have read elsewhere — or heard from the man himself — Donald Trump is not all that popular with Republican voters. Sure, he’s in first pl… > [@](#): > > Donald Trump Is The Nickelback Of GOP Candidates > > Donald Trump’s supporters are passionate, but there aren’t that many of them. > > Despite what you may have read elsewhere — or heard from the man himself — Donald Trump is not all that popular with Republican voters. Sure, he’s in first place in many polls. But Trump is near the back of the pack by another important measure. > > In the chart below, I’ve taken an average of favorability ratings from seven polls of Republican voters that were conducted wholly or partly after Trump made his comments about John McCain on July 18. They include national polls from CNN, Public Policy Polling and YouGov, along with polls of Iowa and New Hampshire from each of Marist College and Monmouth University.1 > [@](#): > > The problem for these candidates [like Trump, as history shows] is that support never grew much beyond 20 or 30 percent of the vote, so they were lapped by others. The same is likely to happen this year, eventually. Suppose that Rubio bows out of the race, for instance. Where is his 6 percent of the vote likely to go? Probably to Bush or Walker before it goes to Trump. Relatively few voters say Trump is their second choice,3 and many Republicans dislike him. The same goes for Christie’s 3 percent or Kasich’s 4 percent. That will add up for someone. (Candidates who fall within the establishment “ring” of our circus diagram have 53 percent of the vote in polls already.) > > I don’t mean to suggest that favorability ratings are foolproof. Like the first-choice numbers, they can fluctuate. Before Trump officially declared for the presidency last month, his favorability ratings among Republicans were execrable. They improved after he announced his candidacy but have since slipped back to mediocre (well below the standard of candidates who have won their party’s nomination in the past). > > But if you’re going to imply that a candidate is popular based on their receiving 20 percent of the vote, you ought to consider what the other 80 percent thinks about him. Most Republicans who don’t plan to vote for Trump are skeptical of him instead. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/75 "2015-08-21T20:37:15Z")
According to the latest CNN poll, Trump is the first choice of 24% of Republican voters - more than any other candidate. But, importantly, he is the second choice of 14% of Republican voters - again, more than any other candidate. So don’t delude yourself that 25% is his ceiling. Here is an [article on Trump voters - in their own words](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/). It shows the amazing versatility of Trump. He is everything to everyone. A consummate salesman. He is pulling voters from all corners. Keep "teehee"ing, **iiiandiiii**. See if you will be crying by the end of it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/76 "2015-08-21T20:38:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > According to the latest CNN poll, Trump is the first choice of 24% of Republican voters - more than any other candidate. But, importantly, he is the second choice of 14% of Republican voters - again, more than any other candidate. So don’t delude yourself that 25% is his ceiling. As pointed out before: Go Trump!!! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/77 "2015-08-21T21:01:40Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > According to the latest CNN poll, Trump is the first choice of 24% of Republican voters - more than any other candidate. But, importantly, he is the second choice of 14% of Republican voters - again, more than any other candidate. So don’t delude yourself that 25% is his ceiling. > > Here is an [article on Trump voters - in their own words](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/). It shows the amazing versatility of Trump. He is everything to everyone. A consummate salesman. He is pulling voters from all corners. Keep "teehee"ing, **iiiandiiii**. See if you will be crying by the end of it. Yes, he’s doing very well with minority voters. I wonder how he’s doing with [voters who make accusations against others without reading their posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18620837&postcount=58)? Go Trump go! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/78 "2015-08-21T21:31:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trump **rarely** attacks people who haven’t attacked him first. (my emphasis). So, you agree that he does attack people who haven’t attacked him first? > [@](#): > > The fact that some of the posters here think that hitting back is ‘bad’, and that they ‘might’ be justified in trying to hold the bully who’d kicked them in such a way that he couldn’t kick them again (assuming they had the strength and size to do that in the first place, which they probably didn’t or the bully wouldn’t have attacked them in the first place) is probably a large part of the reason why bullying is so prevalent in our liberal dominated school system and society today. Bullies know they have nothing to lose so why not go for it? I don’t follow the logic here. You are saying that a person is probably being bullied because they don’t have the size and strength to retaliate, and that the solution to this bullying is for them to retaliate. Because responding to violence with violence leads to less violence. I am sincerely confused. > [@](#): > > Donald Trump isn’t a bully. He really isn’t. What he is, is strong, and when someone hits him, he hits them back a lot harder… It’s also possible that Klum slighted him at some point in the past and he saw an opportunity to get back at her and took it. In the course of this thread, you’ve gone from Trump hits those who hit him first to Trump seeks revenge against those who have “slighted” him. Keeping score, holding grudges, finding offense even if none was intended - how is this not bullying behavior? [QUOTE=Terr] …Reagan - he was as wooden/robotic/formulaic as others… [/QUOTE] Reagan? _Ronald_ Reagan? The actor who became President?? [QUOTE=inscrutable] Maybe not so much “hate”, but rather, the concern over an increasing proportion of the population that “costs” more than it contributes. [/QUOTE] I presume you are referring “red” states like [Mississippi](http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/03/27/which-states-take-the-most-from-the-u-s-government/), correct? ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/79 "2015-08-21T21:32:48Z")
Reading the OP, i know right away who the bully is. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417/80 "2015-08-21T21:38:45Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Reagan? _Ronald_ Reagan? The actor who became President?? Yes, that Reagan. Yeah yeah I know supposedly “great communicator”. I was in the US 7 out of his 8 years in office. I was not impressed with his speeches/appearances. I am not impressed with Obama’s either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-fucking-mad-at-the-people-in-the-us-who-support-and-promote-adult-bullies/728417.md?page=5)