# I'm Going to Say It. Misogyny Elected Trump. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230 "2016-11-09T16:31:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/41 "2016-11-09T20:48:18Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > … Now we will have to practice some optimism and hope that the Trump _Administration_ will know that complex problems have complex solutions and will bring in the right people to come up with them. If they come up with solutions, us Dem’s will have to eat a little crow. I’m OK with that. If they don’t, the people that voted for him will turn on him quickly. I’m always willing to try to be optimistic, but this is a lot like letting a bull loose in a china shop and hoping that he will improve business. We already know what kinds of people Trump surrounds himself with because we can look at this campaign staff. They are liars and con artists just like himself, and some of them are bat-shit crazy. An unfortunate attribute of the real world is not just that it requires complex solutions to complex problems, but that the interpretation of success is often very subjective. A poor economy, for instance, can be blamed on any number of external factors, and the president credited with helping to make it not as bad as it otherwise might have been. And packing the Supreme Court with ideological equivalents of Scalia who roll back a century of social progress can be regarded as a _ **good** _ thing by the kinds of dumbfucks who voted for Trump in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/42 "2016-11-09T20:51:00Z")
Scylla, I hope your assessment is right, that Trump won in spite of those things an not because of them. But, my own assessment is a bit darker. No, a lot darker. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/43 "2016-11-09T21:29:38Z")
If you could have negated the misogyny factor, Clinton might have squeaked out a narrow win. People rightly perceived her as being a terrible candidate, and wrongly perceived her opponent as the better of two bad choices. Obama overcame what people thought were insurmountable disadvantages (being black with an Arab-sounding name!) because he was viewed as fundamentally decent as well as competent. If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee and carrying the same sort of baggage as Clinton he would’ve lost too. And in that case it would’ve been dumb to blame his defeat on anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/44 "2016-11-09T21:41:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think the consensus is that running against Hillary elected Trump. If Hillary had a penis, Trump would still have won, all other things remaining equal. Agreed. There’s a black cloud of hatred and scandal about her that dates back to Bill’s presidency. I won’t comment on the legitimacy of said cloud, but the Republicans created it, Trump weaponized it, Democrats ignored it, and it worked. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/45 "2016-11-09T21:42:29Z")
Yeah … I guess the War on Women in 2012 was a complete bust, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/46 "2016-11-09T21:53:30Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > There, I said it. Misogyny Elected Trump. > > I’m not saying this because Hilary lost to a man. I’m not saying this because everyone who has been president has been a man. Although these facts certainly speak for themselves. > > I’m saying it because a man has been recorded on tape boasting about his prowess as a sexual predator against women, and this was not enough to prevent his election to the presidency. > > He’s a sexual predator, and he’s proud of it. And to millions, it is not enough to keep him from being president. Give it a break. Bill Clinton sexually assaulted women by the busload while he was governor of Arkansas and I don’t see you complaining about him having been unqualified to be President because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/47 "2016-11-09T21:54:02Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > From the last year or so what I’ve seen is that women are the biggest racist misogynist assholes on the planet. OLD WHITE women are the biggest racist misogynist assholes. There are several reasons for this. Many white women of an older generation led almost cloistered lives in their homes in their lily white neighborhoods while their husbands had more interaction with the world at large. This is fertile ground for bigotry, prejudice and ignorance. There is a reaction for the second group on the socioeconomic totem pole to guard its status jealously and support the status quo. White women occupied this distant second place position for a long time. They are protective of their children while at the same time being fearful of minorities. I have seen old white women basically accuse Asians of stealing the educational resources of the community by doing well on tests and taking all the spots in the gifted and talented program. I have seen old white women basically accuse blacks of being dangerous just because they are black. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/48 "2016-11-09T21:55:21Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Exactly. Never admit that sexism exists. Perfect. You know that the gender pay gap is a myth right? When you compare apples to apples, there is a gap but its about 5%. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/49 "2016-11-09T22:03:42Z")
Personally, I blame this result on stupidity and masochism. I also blame those for religion, but that’s another topic with only some overlap to this one. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/50 "2016-11-09T22:37:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You know that the gender pay gap is a myth right? When you compare apples to apples, there is a gap but its about 5%. And a gap is a gap. Also, this entire “compare apples to apples” flapdoodle about adjusting the scales so that there IS only a 5 percent gap is pure blaming the victim sexism. “The reason for the gender wage gap is because women don’t negotiate for top dollar when they accept employment.” Never mind that our misogynistic society pounds it into women’s heads to be submissive and accepting of our lot. Never mind that to be considered aggressive in matters is to be perceived as a bitch. Do you wonder that women don’t make more effort to demand top wages after a lifetime of conditioning to be conciliatory about everything? Especially if they are competing against men who are perceived as assertive and bold in these same exchanges? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/51 "2016-11-09T22:43:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > {…} Bill Clinton sexually assaulted women by the busload {…} Hate to be the one that has to break it to you but, the bus _you_ went to school in . . . well, it wasn’t a normal sized bus. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/52 "2016-11-09T23:01:53Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > You don’t have much grasp on history do you? When Trump can’t deliver on his promises, he will blame an external force, muslims, jews, Mexico, Iran, blue aliens from orion, or even Canada, it doesn’t matter just as long as he blames someone. He’ll ramp up the rhetoric and use it as an excuse to increase defense spending (creating jobs in rust belt states that swung towards him) and give the Presidency more executive powers. > > We’ve seen this story play out before. Well, here’s my thinking on the subject. Couple of days ago, I would bet good money that Trump was gonna trounced. Pretty sure a lot of folks here would have too. We had good reasoning behind us. That pretty much shoots a hole in the theory our collective predictive powers. What a Trump Administration is going to look like is a big old question mark. Lots of stuff could happen. He might surprise us. He might live up to our low opinion of his ability. He might die of an overdose in a legendary Inauguration booze-coke-whore Party. We do not _know_. Right now I have two options, and only two options. Pessimism and optimism. Around 5 AM this morning, pessimism was ruling the day. Can’t say I liked the way it felt. So I decided to give optimism a try, and it helped me get dressed and get on with my day. So for now, I’m gonna stick with it. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/53 "2016-11-09T23:05:38Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t think misogyny elected Trump, and I think it’s a bad idea to console oneself by pretending so. > > Trump was sort of laughed at for saying the “election was rigged.” He would say that there were a lot of people who weren’t being accounted for, who were ignored, and who’s voices weren’t being heard. We all know the importance of double blind tests, because without them people have a tendency to select the evidence that supports their view. I’m probably giving Trump to much credit for the sophistication of his arguments, but I think something like this is what he was referring to. > > He was right. > > There are a lot of people out there who think the system is rigged, that government serves itself, that there is a ruling class of out of touch politicians that look down on the rest of us. > > Donald Trump is indeed odious and his polls dropped every time he said something terrible about women, or minorities. I think he got elected in spite of that, not because of that. The evidence doesn’t suggest his misogyny helped him otherwise we would expect his poll numbers to have gone up after such statements. > > I think that a lot of people just thought that if we could elect an outsider, even someone like Trump, that that would prove the system is not rigged, that we still live in a Democracy, and that their voice still counts. I agree with a fair amount of that, but I don’t think anybody can point to just one cause for Trump’s victory. It was people who felt neglected and wanted to upset the status quo. It was people who like to tear things down; the ones who cheer for the wrecks at car races (and don’t have to help fix them). It was the people who think that making their opponents feel bad (“Sweet, sweet \ tears.”) is reason enough to do something. And it was misogyny, but even that is complicated. I saw posts on Facebook from people saying how happy they were to get to vote for a woman. I think she got a few votes for that, but they were vastly outnumbered by people who wouldn’t vote for a woman. Misogyny alone didn’t elect Trump, but it helped. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/54 "2016-11-10T07:18:10Z")
120 million Americans, 80 million of whom were registered to vote, did not vote. It was not misogyny that elected Trump, it was apathy. It is pathetic that when faced with a man who was an obvious misoginist and bigot those in that number who would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency couldn’t be bothered to get off their ass and vote. Let’s put the blame where it belongs. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/55 "2016-11-10T07:43:30Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > 120 million Americans, 80 million of whom were registered to vote, did not vote. It was not misogyny that elected Trump, it was apathy. It is pathetic that when faced with a man who was an obvious misoginist and bigot those in that number who would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency couldn’t be bothered to get off their ass and vote. Let’s put the blame where it belongs. I do not understand this bizarre need to find someone to blame for Trump other than Trump, and those who voted for him. When a person, or a group, does something asinine, the fault lies with those who did the asinine thing, not with those who failed to stop them. Where are the Republicans stepping up to accept the blame for Obamacare? If they had just nominated someone better than McCain in 2008 it never would have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/56 "2016-11-10T08:10:22Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I do not understand this bizarre need to find someone to blame for Trump other than Trump, and those who voted for him. When a person, or a group, does something asinine, the fault lies with those who did the asinine thing, not with those who failed to stop them. Where are the Republicans stepping up to accept the blame for Obamacare? If they had just nominated someone better than McCain in 2008 it never would have happened. In this case those who did the asinine thing don’t see it as such. Those who failed to stop them are now angry and blaming misogyny or white men. I see the responsibility in this case involving those who should have wanted to stop the asinie thing from happening but were too apathetic to be bothered. The numbers were there. Droves of them. Of the 120 million who didn’t vote how many see the election results as a travesty? Easily enough to have tipped the balance. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/57 "2016-11-10T08:24:38Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > At this very moment I’m enjoying a nice fresh cup of liberals’ tears in my “I’m With Her” mug. Delicious. I assume that comment is intended to cause pain, but you know what? It really doesn’t. Gloating is unbecoming, but totally human and all ends of the political spectrum are prone to it after a winning a particularly bruising battle. Of course I’m terrified about what the future might hold now that Trump is president. However, I actually take some temporary solace from the fact that some people are happy right now - good for them! Now, I don’t think they are going to be quite so happy when the deficit balloons, health care becomes even more of a mess than it is now, unemployment goes up, terrorism continues, mass shootings continue, and race/religious relations get progressively worse, with unrest and possibly violence. However, I would so, so, so DEARLY love to be wrong. If Trump brings down the deficit, reduces unemployment, improves harmony and inclusiveness etc. etc. etc., no one will be happier than me. I’ll take a giant mug of that “I told you so” beer, and I’ll swallow. With pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/58 "2016-11-10T08:34:50Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > 120 million Americans, 80 million of whom were registered to vote, did not vote. It was not misogyny that elected Trump, it was apathy. It is pathetic that when faced with a man who was an obvious misoginist and bigot those in that number who would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency couldn’t be bothered to get off their ass and vote. Let’s put the blame where it belongs. And that apathy means they didn’t care enough about being anti-racist, anti-misogynistic, etc. to vote. I have always said you are either anti-bigotry, or you are a bigot. There is no middle ground. I may not use that language with those who are just light bigots (so as not to scare them away), but I can’t hold back the truth. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/59 "2016-11-10T08:37:19Z")
One consolation in all this is that we can actually see which people come in and directly try to hurt others with their responses. Those people can safely be put on ignore. And, for once, it won’t mean silencing a viewpoint, since the conservatives didn’t like Trump either. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230/60 "2016-11-10T08:39:57Z")
Now as to answer the question: I think the alt-right got Trump elected. Normally they spread between the two parties. But they didn’t this time. I don’t think they had to be all that numerous to do it, either. Then again, I read somewhere that if, no one voted for Stein in Florida, Clinton would have won. If so, fuck 'em. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-going-to-say-it-misogyny-elected-trump/771230.md?page=4)