# I'm gonna assume you are physically plain, "imperfect" or outright homely... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984 "2018-12-31T14:56:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![2Bits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e95f7d/32.png) [@2Bits](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Bits)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/21 "2018-12-31T17:10:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So which of these have _you_ had done? I trim my nose and ear hair occasionally. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/22 "2018-12-31T17:10:58Z")
Don’t hate me cause I’m beautiful.😉 Dude, I have anxiety about a salon visit. I haven’t had my hair cut in over 20 years. I won’t be going in for elective surgery of any kind. Anywhoo, the surgery I would want, shortening my limbs, is not available. ---
**Author:** ![2Bits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e95f7d/32.png) [@2Bits](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Bits)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/23 "2018-12-31T17:12:34Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Why the fuck should I? Why (the Fuck) does anyone? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/24 "2018-12-31T17:44:56Z")
1. I have better things to do with my money 2. Even if I had the money, I’m not sure there would be that much improvement 3. I have spent a lifetime avoiding unnecessary pain/discomfort, and I don’t think vanity is a sufficient reason to change. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/25 "2018-12-31T17:45:29Z")
> [@2Bits](#): > > Why (the Fuck) does anyone? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It’s hard to know what you’re getting at here. Your OP sounded like you think everyone should do whatever it takes to be as “attractive” as possible. This post makes me doubt if that’s your real opinion. To answer your OP, many years ago I realized that although I did not have a wide appeal (physically) there were enough people interested to keep me as busy as I wanted to be. It’s other people I find wanting, not myself. Their intelligence, personalities and characters need a lot of work. When I find someone who scores in two or three of those areas, then I make it my business to try to be their friend, not their boyfriend. The other thing, already mentioned above, is that by the time I had enough disposable income to do something like that, I was too old to make it useful. My third observation: I had an acquaintance at work who was quite good looking in his 20’s and 30’s, who couldn’t maintain a relationship because he kept wanting to have sex with a lot of other attractive people. He committed suicide at 50, apparently because he couldn’t stand the idea of being old and unattractive. Not a good role model for those aspiring to attractive. eta: not that any of this is any of your business, nor do I understand why you feel qualified or called upon to comment on other people’s looks. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/26 "2018-12-31T17:47:56Z")
I’m too vain for plastic surgery. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/27 "2018-12-31T17:49:42Z")
> [@2Bits](#): > > …why haven’t you gone ahead and had plastic surgery, breast enhancement, hair plugs, etc yet? I have plastic surgery to add hair plugs to my breasts but I don’t know if I’m any more attractive for it. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/28 "2018-12-31T18:00:41Z")
a) Religious grounds; I don’t believe in changing what God made or handed me. The furthest I’ll go is having scars minimalized as they happen. b) I really don’t care what anyone else thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/29 "2018-12-31T19:10:29Z")
Assume what you want. I don’t care what you think. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/30 "2018-12-31T19:36:27Z")
I think the OP would get different responses if there were more specifics offered. Let’s say I am “plain”. What would I tell the doctor to enhance to make me “unplain”? But if I had a real big nose or a non existent chin or had ears that stuck out like Dumbo’s, then I probably would be open to plastic surgery. Because all I would have to do is point to my nose, chin, or ears and say “Fix this.” I do care about my looks to a certain extent. But barring gross disfigurement, I can’t see myself doing a complete surgical overhaul of my face. If mere plainness is my problem, I’d probably ask a fashion-forward friend for some make-up, hair, and wardrobe recommendations. That’s a lot cheaper and less painful than undergoing the knife. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/31 "2018-12-31T19:38:12Z")
I’ve thought about it, but even if I could afford it I can’t help wondering if it would really change anything about my life. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/32 "2018-12-31T19:45:44Z")
[I don’t have to be pretty](https://dressaday.com/2006/10/20/you-dont-have-to-be-pretty/comment-page-6/). ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/33 "2018-12-31T19:47:09Z")
Because it’s shallow, and I’m deep. Because who am I to argue with God? Because in that relatively short period of time when I was both hot and available, there was no improvement in appearance which would have made me any less miserable than I was then, even if I’d had both the money and the inclination (I had neither). ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/34 "2018-12-31T19:50:26Z")
I’ve always had better things to do with the money. I do wonder if my life would have been improved if I’d just gone and fixed everything that could use fixing and whether or not I would have gotten a decent ROI. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/35 "2018-12-31T20:07:40Z")
> [@markn\_1](#): > > It makes an ass of you and Ming. That was Merciless. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/36 "2018-12-31T20:21:42Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > That was Merciless. Oh. OH! Now I got it. ---
**Author:** ![mixdenny](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mixdenny/32/2962_2.png) [@mixdenny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mixdenny)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/37 "2018-12-31T20:32:55Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > …Anywhoo, the surgery I would want, shortening my limbs, is not available. You would have to buy a new shotgun and learn how to wing shoot all over again. Dennis ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/38 "2018-12-31T20:45:38Z")
Playing along with the hypothetical (and “imperfect” is an umbrella that very few cannot stand under) - why would I? My wife does miss the full head of curly hair she fell in love with (I like the closely buzzed head myself, but she claims false advertising) but other than that none of my “imperfections” bother _anyone_ or get in the way of my life in any way. I’m really just fine with being short and a bit funny looking and win well enough with the skin I’m in just fine. My wife has not left me yet and the hard patches we’ve had (married this many decades, we’ve a few) were not due to my lack of scalp hair nor would have been fixed by its still being there! And if I wasn’t doing just fine? Thinking that making my appearance more perfect (or less imperfect, you choose) would be a sucker’s solution. Why (the fuck) does anyone (barring major disfiguring conditions that make little children point and other adults turn away to avoid staring) think that cosmetic surgery to become less imperfect, less “plain”, will improve their lives? I don’t know. You’d have to ask them. Maybe for some of them it does. Some people have careers that depend on their looks - some movie stars, strippers, porn stars - but for most of us placing the blame for whatever our failures have been on our looks is merely avoiding the more difficult cogent analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/39 "2018-12-31T20:45:54Z")
> [@mixdenny](#): > > You would have to buy a new shotgun and learn how to wing shoot all over again. > > Dennis Damn, I knew there’d be a downside. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/40 "2018-12-31T20:58:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m too vain for plastic surgery. > > Regards, > Shodan You probably think this thread is about you. I guess I’m plain and imperfect. Homely is a matter of opinion. I haven’t fixed anything because that fact does not bother me as much as I imagine spending a ton of money to have my body cut up and rearranged would. In fact, apparently, it doesn’t bother me as much as shaving every day would. Just don’t seem to have that drive for physical perfection. Can I mention something to the ladies? I like the way you look in high heels. I like how they emphasize certain things about you. Now, what are you going to do with that information? Are you going to wear high heels to make me happy? Is it that important to you? If you find them comfortable then go ahead but I think a lot of you don’t and I don’t see any reason to take me into account at all. If having your butt stick out a little makes you so happy that you’re willing to be uncomfortable or if a smaller nose is worth a year’s salary to you, I won’t second guess but I really don’t want you to harm yourself to make me happy. Sorry to pick on the girls. It’s only because I’m a straight male a you’re the ones I notice. I also understand you’re under more pressure than us guys but the same applies to us with our hair transplants and orange winter tans. I don’t want to put you down for your vanity but I hope it makes you happy and it’s not just to please me because you look pretty good in runners too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984.md?page=3)