# I'm gonna assume you are physically plain, "imperfect" or outright homely... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984 "2018-12-31T14:56:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/81 "2019-01-03T11:21:43Z")
Odd thing is really VERY good looking people - well kind of scare me. Back when I was dating I wouldnt give a really beautiful woman a thought since they were so out of my league. I think, and this is only my observation, that people in general find a person of average looks to be easier to approach. I know, odd. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/82 "2019-01-03T12:11:37Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Then we must have unethical cosmetic surgeons here in Utah; you should see the billboards for vaginal rejuvenation, they concentrate on fixing what childbirth has ruined (and they do NOT concentrate on continence). > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > :eek: > > I’ve NEVER seen anything like that out here in the Midwest! I’ve heard of “mommy makeovers” where a woman has a breast augmentation (bigger, smaller, or lifted), tummy tuck, and a vaginoplasty, which incurred the ire of gynecologists, which are probably the most territorial surgeons on earth. > > Is it all those Mormon women wanting to undo the damage they got from having all those babies? 😕 Maybe uber-Mormons in Utah but I live in Arizona where there are plenty of Mormons, specifically in Mesa which is Mormon-central.\* While there are plenty of billboards advertising elective plastic surgery, and some guy in Scottsdale advertising in movie theaters, none are specifically mentioning genitalia, not even the theater doctor who has the time to list about a half-dozen procedures on the screen. \*For the longest time Mesa had the only Mormon Temple in Arizona. Now there are two and a third is being built. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/83 "2019-01-03T12:25:20Z")
I’m a 61 year old male in financial straits and I got a boob job recently for $10,000 Well, I got billed that much from a company that provides credit for plastic surgery procedures. Someone stole my identity. I contacted the company’s fraud department and they gave me the name of the clinic—a plastic surgeon in a town I’ve never been to in south Florida. I called the clinic, reported the fraud and asked them what procedure “I” had done. They wouldn’t tell me. HIPAA regulations. So, I’m being billed 10 grand for a procedure apparently done on me, but you can’t tell me what I had done? Nope. It was a mess to take care of. Reported to the FTC, put blocks on with the credit agencies, etc. The FTC is still investigating. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/84 "2019-01-03T13:56:50Z")
Hey, man, I get in more than enough trouble just looking like _this_. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/85 "2019-01-03T14:39:01Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Odd thing is really VERY good looking people - well kind of scare me. Back when I was dating I wouldnt give a really beautiful woman a thought since they were so out of my league. I think, and this is only my observation, that people in general find a person of average looks to be easier to approach. > > I know, odd. I don’t find this odd at all as it makes perfect sense. I’d prefer an average girl over a trophy girl. Trophy girls are high maintenance and conceited. Average girls are down to earth and honest. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/86 "2019-01-03T14:41:13Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > I’d prefer an average girl over a trophy girl. Trophy girls are high maintenance and conceited. Average girls are down to earth and honest. Well East coast girls are hip I really dig those styles they wear And the Southern girls with the way they talk They knock me out when I’m down there The Midwest farmer’s daughters really make you feel alright And the Northern girls with the way they kiss They keep their boyfriends warm at night ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/87 "2019-01-03T15:00:40Z")
I only found CDC data relating to [patients](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6137a6.htm) older than 45 in the USA and they show for the youngest group that 8.9/100.000 die from complications during surgery. I shudder thinking how many perfectly healthy young people have died getting a boob job or a liposuction. Here is a risk-calculator: [ACS Risk Calculator - Home Page](http://riskcalculator.facs.org/RiskCalculator/) I would say that you must be extremely ugly or frustrated to accept a risk higher that one in a billion, but others do obviously disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/88 "2019-01-03T16:39:51Z")
‘Boob job’ can include reduction; in fact that’s a far far more involved operation than implants. I’m another who was seriously considering it at once point, and I haven’t ruled it totally out. It’s not vanity (the horrendous level of jokes they attracted in my teens has thankfully dropped to an extreme rarity in my 30s, now I’m confident enough to not take shit from people), it’s constant back strain. I’ve already had back surgery once, and though breast size probably wasn’t a significant factor in that case, it’s not all that unlikely that at some point I’ll come down to a choice of choosing a high risk of further back surgery or getting a reduction. One of those is a hell of a lot lower risk than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/89 "2019-01-03T16:50:55Z")
Why would you assume that? I’m gorgeous. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/90 "2019-01-03T19:45:50Z")
I’m no attention grabber, but there’s nothing wrong with me that someone having 3-4 tequilas wouldn’t remedy. As for why I’ve not had work done? I’m at an age where how something looks is far less important than how it works. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/91 "2019-01-03T20:33:57Z")
Because I’m perfectly satisfied being “imperfect”. I’m pretty sure that even if I wasn’t I’d reject surgery due to the cost and risks others have mentioned. That’s pretty much why I haven’t had lasik. Well that and how good I look with glasses. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/92 "2019-01-04T13:45:50Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I called the clinic, reported the fraud and asked them what procedure “I” had done. They wouldn’t tell me. HIPAA regulations. So, I’m being billed 10 grand for a procedure apparently done on me, but you can’t tell me what I had done? Nope. I’m fairly sure they’re right about the HIPAA regulations but I’m not seeing how what procedure was done matters. I mean, if some fraudster used your CC number to buy a big screen TV at Best Buy, would the prosecuters care which brand he walked out the door with? ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/93 "2019-01-04T14:16:58Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I’m fairly sure they’re right about the HIPAA regulations but I’m not seeing how what procedure was done matters. I mean, if some fraudster used your CC number to buy a big screen TV at Best Buy, would the prosecuters care which brand he walked out the door with? No, it doesn’t help with the prosecution. I was just curious what “I” supposedly had done. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/94 "2019-01-04T17:15:56Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > ‘Boob job’ can include reduction; in fact that’s a far far more involved operation than implants. > I’m another who was seriously considering it at once point, and I haven’t ruled it totally out. It’s not vanity (the horrendous level of jokes they attracted in my teens has thankfully dropped to an extreme rarity in my 30s, now I’m confident enough to not take shit from people), it’s constant back strain. > > I’ve already had back surgery once, and though breast size probably wasn’t a significant factor in that case, it’s not all that unlikely that at some point I’ll come down to a choice of choosing a high risk of further back surgery or getting a reduction. One of those is a hell of a lot lower risk than the other. I’ve known a lot of women who have had breast reductions, and it is an operation that they do not regret, except that they regret not having it done sooner. I can’t think of any men who have had it done, that I know of, but it is also a common surgery. As one woman told me, “No more back pain, no more neck pain, no more $125 custom-made H-cup bras, no more buying shirts in the plus-size department when I wear size 12 pants, etc.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/95 "2019-01-04T17:16:59Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I’m a 61 year old male in financial straits and I got a boob job recently for $10,000 > > Well, I got billed that much from a company that provides credit for plastic surgery procedures. Someone stole my identity. I contacted the company’s fraud department and they gave me the name of the clinic—a plastic surgeon in a town I’ve never been to in south Florida. I called the clinic, reported the fraud and asked them what procedure “I” had done. They wouldn’t tell me. HIPAA regulations. So, I’m being billed 10 grand for a procedure apparently done on me, but you can’t tell me what I had done? Nope. > > It was a mess to take care of. Reported to the FTC, put blocks on with the credit agencies, etc. The FTC is still investigating. How do you know this person had a boob job when the clinic wouldn’t tell you what they had done? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/96 "2019-01-04T17:25:27Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > No, it doesn’t help with the prosecution. I was just curious what “I” supposedly had done. FWIW - you look _fabulous_. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/97 "2019-01-04T17:34:55Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > How do you know this person had a boob job when the clinic wouldn’t tell you what they had done? I don’t. Just taking a guess, it’s what the clinic advertises most. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/98 "2019-01-04T17:40:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > FWIW - you look _fabulous_. > > Regards, > Shodan Thanks. I turn a lot of heads at the beach. … well, they turn away in disgust, but that’s something. ---
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/99 "2019-01-04T19:37:27Z")
I halved my body weight a few years back, I was too old to get away with it and have a lot of excess skin that gets in the way of a lot. Financially I could probably swing the surgery but I love and need my exercise too much for 6 weeks of stillness then slow build up. I have lung disease that really needs me to be as fit and strong as possible so I adopt the mantra “better empty than full” and enjoy my incredible buoyancy in the pool, it isn’t so much swimming as paddling an inflatable raft. I do get fearful in strong winds if I am in short sleeves. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984/100 "2019-01-04T21:18:19Z")
> [@mixdenny](#): > > Dude, I’m the picture that people show to the plastic surgeon and say, “I want to look like this”. For the win. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-assume-you-are-physically-plain-imperfect-or-outright-homely/826984.md?page=6)