# I'm gonna have to pit all you butt-hurt snowflakes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203 "2017-01-15T03:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/281 "2017-01-17T14:48:21Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Name 3 things that you want Trump to do to correct the direction of the nation and how it will benefit all concerned. > > I urge you to think through the consequences of these 3 course corrections to their logical conclusion and impact on people, economics, climate, etc. > > Be specific. “Make America Great” is not an acceptable answer. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Unemployment going down, deficit going down, crime rates going down, stock market going up,… > > What direction would you like these things to be going? > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Answers to these are the only reason I keep reading this thread (that, and finding out which posters I’ve never heard of before are Trumpistas). > > Even at work here, in real life, some people say how bad it was under Obama. What are they talking about? Answers, people! What was so bad under Obama? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I also am curious what you mean by “direction” and how specifically Obama’s was wrong and Trump’s (presumably opposite) will be correct, if you are to be happy. Still waiting for answers… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/282 "2017-01-17T15:08:20Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Russian! _Heel!_ > > Good boy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/283 "2017-01-17T15:17:53Z")
At least people _deny_ that they are racists. Which only took about fifty years. But that’s _something_! Sorta kinda. I guess. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/284 "2017-01-17T15:25:57Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Hedtke’s analysis is flawed because it leaps - without facts or rationale - from the probably justified contention that mockery will _upset_a narcissist to a conclusion that mockery will _defeat_ a narcissist. I don’t see that as true by any means. > > Mockery isn’t going to be enough to cause Trump to leave office, or to do any particular thing - not when his office (and his actions) also gives him adulation and attention from his supporters. General mockery is pointless. > > Indeed given that narcissists will do almost anything to counterattack when mocked, mockery will drive Trump towards ever more vicious attempts to control criticism. And anyway he will create a bubble around himself such that he doesn’t hear much of the mockery. That’s. The. Point. We want him to lash out. We want him to do increasingly erratic things. That allows us to set up his impeachment or declaration of being mentally unfit. There’s really no downside for either party for Trump to be impeached or declared unfit. Republicans still remain in charge. And Democrats stop Trump. It’s win-win. I fucking hate it when people act like you’re just supposed to give into narcissists and make them happy. That’s not how my sister’s boss got fired. She was antagonized until she cracked. And that is exactly how you beat a narcissist. Is it a dangerous game? Sure. But it’s hard to argue it’s more dangerous than doing nothing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/285 "2017-01-17T15:50:26Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Now I’m a racist too. :rolleyes: The only post calling you a racist happened after your post. Trump ran a racist campaign. He was caught saying racist things all the time–things even the Republicans would admit were racist and horrible. So, to vote for Trump is a racist act. If you voted for Trump, you committed a racist act. Lying and pretending that means we called you racist will not change this. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/286 "2017-01-17T15:53:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > At least people _deny_ that they are racists. Which only took about fifty years. But that’s _something_! Sorta kinda. I guess. Let’s hope there’s no inchoate movement to reclaim the term. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/287 "2017-01-17T16:08:47Z")
Look, we all do stupid things once in a while, that doesn’t make us stupid. We all do crazy things once in a while, but that doesn’t make us crazy. But say or do _enough_ stupid or crazy things and that means _you’re_ crazy or stupid. There are those who say we’re all a little bit racist, and you know what, maybe we are. But it does require a bit of a leap to say that all trump supporters, as a group, are racist. Oh, a lot of them are, and a lot more, who should have known better, were silent in the face of this. But there is that third group, who voted for trump this time and Obama the last. So what do you do? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/288 "2017-01-17T16:20:59Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > But there is that third group, who voted for trump this time and Obama the last. So what do you do? Check them for sudden onset dementia while they’re still covered under the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/289 "2017-01-17T17:21:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > At least people _deny_ that they are racists. Which only took about fifty years. But that’s _something_! Sorta kinda. I guess. What’s funny about the last 8 years is, the one person I knew who openly said racist things in public\* started to behave differently. Every objection they voiced about Obama was honestly based in how it affected them directly, and even then they usually admitted that the policy was for the greater good. When it came to Trump, they were initially a supporter. They happily identified with the racial politics, but couched them in the more convoluted structures of the more eloquent Trump apologists. As the campaign wore on, they wore down, and couldn’t support such an idiot. Even if Trump appealed to his baser instincts, his intellect seemed to win out, and he reportedly stayed home on election day. I didn’t verify this, of course, but he has never lied to me that I know of. He cares what I think of him, and somehow I do the same, but neither of us varnishes our thoughts much when talking to each other. So, it seems that not even all racists were dumb enough to vote for Trump. \*Seriously. Sometime between 2006 and 2008 I walked out of a meal where they were saying racist things loudly enough for a bi-racial couple seated nearby to hear. They were not shy about their racism. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/290 "2017-01-17T17:38:27Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > [Huh](http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Clothahump/media/Misc/13392096_1775440262692031_1588815421231902655_o1_zpsmc2zs19a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1). Do you lack [all self-awareness](http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Clothahump/media/Political/IMourn.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12)? That much should be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/291 "2017-01-17T17:42:52Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Well yeah, clearly. Your insistence that there was no real racism in the Trump campaign, or the birther movement were dead giveaways. Only a racist would intentionally turn a blind eye to such naked hate to justify their twisted world view. Deep down, I think you knew. Right, to you I’m a racist because you can invent a list of things I never said. Now, can you try a bit of intellectual honesty and point to me, precisely were I: -Insisted that there was no real racism in the Trump campaign. -That there was no racism in the Birther movement. Can you do that? You can’t, because I didn’t say those things. Heck, I’ll help you out, for the first point what I really said: _“…he (Madmonk28) wants to imply that Trump is a racist because the KKK endorsed his campaign, which is another layer of guilt by association”_ I think even the most obtuse person can see (or at least the _second_ most obtuse person) is distinctly different than your… _recollection_ of _“Your insistence that there was no real racism in the Trump campaign”_ I didn’t say there was no racism, I said that an endorsement by a racist organization on itself doesn’t make a campaign racist, if people would live and act according to that abortion of logical thinking all the KKK has to do in the future is sink the presidential campaign of the party they don’t want in power by endorsing them. Sorry! you are racist now For the second point what I said was: _“being a Birther doesn’t make one a racist, sure it makes one as thick as two short planks, but a racist? **not necessarily** ”_ Do you understand what the “not necessarily” is there for? It means that, while some, perhaps even most Birthers, are racist, that doesn’t mean everyone of them is, some may just hate Obama’s guts and be perfectly fine with black people in general, some may be garden variety conspiracy nutjobs, no racism necessary, some may just play along for political expediency, etc, etc… Is that too nuanced for you to understand? Birther therefore racist is the type of simplistic negative stereotyping that racist do, just so you know. Do you understand Venn diagrams? A big circle for the Birther mass as a whole, within that circle another one for racists, logically you can say some Birthers are Racists, but you can’t say all Birthers are racists therefore your argument that being a Birther, on itself, proves racism is invalid. You completely misrepresented everything I said in order to justify your own sense of self-righteousness, and I’m the one with a twisted world view… :rolleyes: So, well no, _clearly_ you just want to call people racist and, paraphrasing Bush’s administration policy, fix the facts around to justify it. > [@BigT](#): > > The only post calling you a racist happened after your post. > > Trump ran a racist campaign. He was caught saying racist things all the time–things even the Republicans would admit were racist and horrible. > > So, to vote for Trump is a racist act. If you voted for Trump, you committed a racist act. Lying and pretending that means we called you racist will not change this. No, he called me a racist before that, which you would have seen if you’d actually read to what I was replying to, I don’t have a big red crayon to use at the moment so this should suffice: **“Own your fear, own your racism and own your president.”** > [@madmonk28](#): > > Wow, you really like using the phrase “guilt by association” too bad it’s utter bullshit. Trump ran an openly racist campaign. He not only was endorsed by the Klan, he has a prominent white supremacist on his staff (Steve Bannon); has given interviews to radical fringe groups and used racist imagery from white supremacist sites in some of his ads. There are even recordings of people at his rallies screaming “nigger!” when Obama’s name is mentioned. > > Similarly, supporting Trump is not guilt by association. It is an explicitly racist act. Trump ran on a campaign of overt racism and to try to coyly pretend that it was all just a big misunderstanding is bullshit. Own your fear, own your racism and own your president. My racism is a figment of your, and Madmonk28’s imagination, which shows an amazing lack of self awareness considering that it came right after I wrote: _“What Madmonk28 did there was prove Octopus correct, loaded terms are used to demonize opponents with callous disregard for what is true or not. I don’t like what someone says? I’ll just called them racist!, because they are Trump supporters (never mind whether they are not) and I think Trump is a racist, so there!, me right you wrong.”_ And here **again** you prove that observation as being correct, you just can’t help yourselves calling other people racists, any excuse would do, and if there’s no excuse just make one up and call the other person a liar. Really, you are so consumed by hatred at the moment that you can’t even think straight. The saddest thing here is that I’m on your side, sort of, Trump is an absolute disaster for the USA in particular and the world in general, but your head is so far up your ass that can’t even see it. The lesson you should have taken after the election is that this sort of beheaviour of yours is what, IMO in large part, led to the final result, you alienated too many people who would have come to your side by being absolutely intractable, self-righteous, divisive idiots. For the life of me I can’t imagine why so many people have said that they voted for Trump just to piss off the other side… :smack: By the way, as if needed more clarification, Trump is not _my_ president, I didn’t vote for him, what with not being in the US or being a US citizen; I’m someone unburdened by partisan baggage looking at things from the outside as impartially as possible, which appears to be an unwelcome attitude. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/292 "2017-01-17T17:46:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Nobody is saying don’t be truthful. What is at risk is the credibility of those who knowingly use loaded language deceptively to chill the speech of others. At some point, the nutty left becomes the cliche boy crying wolf and those unfairly maligned become resentful and vote for someone like Trump. Anyways, stay angry, bitter, and hysterical and see what it gains you. Poor babies! Calling them what they are hurts their fucking feelings! It gets tears of sadness all over their sad little selves. IF THEY ARE THAT SENSITIVE AND PUT UPON THEY SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP. And then they have the nerve to call “us” the snowflakes and the sensitive types. Unfairly maligned\> Give me a fucking break. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/293 "2017-01-17T17:54:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Poor babies! Calling them what they are hurts their fucking feelings! It gets tears of sadness all over their sad little selves. IF THEY ARE THAT SENSITIVE AND PUT UPON THEY SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP. > And then they have the nerve to call “us” the snowflakes and the sensitive types. > > Unfairly maligned\> Give me a fucking break. Whiny and butt-hurt TrumpTards are…whiny and butt-hurt. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/294 "2017-01-17T18:05:35Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > … But there is that third group, who voted for trump this time and Obama the last. So what do you do? Given the low turnout in US elections, I’m not sure that such a group actually exists, at least, in any significant numbers. I think what you’ve got is a demographic that was enthused about Obama in '08, mostly stayed home in '12, and continued to stay home in '16. But in '16, a lot more rednecks came out. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/295 "2017-01-17T18:48:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s. The. Point. > > We want him to lash out. We want him to do increasingly erratic things. That allows us to set up his impeachment or declaration of being mentally unfit. There’s really no downside for either party for Trump to be impeached or declared unfit. Republicans still remain in charge. And Democrats stop Trump. It’s win-win. > > I fucking hate it when people act like you’re just supposed to give into narcissists and make them happy. That’s not how my sister’s boss got fired. She was antagonized until she cracked. And that is exactly how you beat a narcissist. > > Is it a dangerous game? Sure. But it’s hard to argue it’s more dangerous than doing nothing. The only ‘we’ here are your fellow narcissists. When any President fails, the nation fails. For you to wish what you do on Trump is you putting your own ideology over the good of the nation. For him to do increasingly erratic things puts the world economy at risk and perhaps risks war. What kind of a person hopes for these things? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/296 "2017-01-17T19:03:54Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > When any President fails, the nation fails. For you to wish what you do on Trump is you putting your own ideology over the good of the nation. For him to do increasingly erratic things puts the world economy at risk and perhaps risks war. What kind of a person hopes for these things? WTF kind of idiot logic is that? If the president does things that are stupid and counterproductive, sets a bad example and inspires destructive values, then the nation fails even more, and it’s preferable in that situation that the president be constrained to do as little as possible or enticed to resign. No, no sane person hopes for an erratic president who would put the nation and the world at risk, and that’s why no sane person would vote for one. The question is what to hope for when you’ve got one. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/297 "2017-01-17T19:06:12Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The only ‘we’ here are your fellow narcissists. When any President fails, the nation fails. For you to wish what you do on Trump is you putting your own ideology over the good of the nation. **For him to do increasingly erratic things puts the world economy at risk and perhaps risks war. What kind of a person hopes for these things?** Those who voted for him. Since that’s what he _promised_. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/298 "2017-01-17T19:14:30Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > When any President fails, the nation fails. But when an incompetent and dangerous President remains in office, the nation fails harder. This is a lesser-of-two-evils situation. **All the evidence suggests that Trump is going to continue being dangerously erratic and dictatorial, with highly unpredictable consequences, while he remains in office.** The only realistically probable outcomes are (1) Trump continuing to behave that way unchecked, and (2) Trump being removed from office. Hoping and praying that Trump will magically turn into a responsible, judicious and well-informed Chief Exec does not make that a realistic third outcome. **If Trump is so unstable that he can actually be teased or taunted into recklessly dangerous acts because of the public making fun of him, _then he absolutely should be removed from office_.** Servilely trying to conciliate him and keep him happy in the false hope of being able to prevent his lashing out and inflicting damage is what abusers’ victims do when they’re trapped in fear and hopelessness with no way out. That’s not acceptable for the people of a free country. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/299 "2017-01-17T19:19:58Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The only ‘we’ here are your fellow narcissists. When any President fails, the nation fails. For you to wish what you do on Trump is you putting your own ideology over the good of the nation. For him to do increasingly erratic things puts the world economy at risk and perhaps risks war. What kind of a person hopes for these things? What a complete fucking idiot you are. If Trump succeeds in many of the absurd and dangerous things he has proposed it will weaken and damage this country for decades. Hoping for him to fail in these things _is_ for the good of the nation. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/300 "2017-01-17T19:20:28Z")
I am hoping that Trump is playing the [Madman theory - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory) on the world. My point was to positively wish for his failure is to fall into the same sort of irrational evil that they accuse Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=16)