# I'm gonna have to pit all you butt-hurt snowflakes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203 "2017-01-15T03:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/381 "2017-01-18T18:33:05Z")
Yeah, but we don’t _have_ to. That’s Sunday School, this is Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/382 "2017-01-18T18:36:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We don’t do for their benefit, you idiot; we do it for our own. I don’t know why this is such a hard concept for some people: _we are supposed to be the **good guys**._ And being the “good guys” isn’t something intrinsic about America. We are not born wearing white hats. We are the good guys because we actually attempt to adhere to the principles of liberty and justice we espouse, even if we sometimes get it wrong. If we believe in justice, we must practice justice, even with those who would be unjust to us. If we believe in freedom we must respect the freedom of others, even when they say things (or do things which objectively do no harm) which appall us. > > Likewise, those other people don’t act that way because they are the “bad guys”; they are the bad guys because they act that way. If we adopt the worst practices of those we oppose, what remains to differentiate us from them besides the color of the flag we wave? > > Case in point: here you are, defending the murder of people in cold blood and inhuman behaviour. How should we treat you, then? Admittedly you’re not engaging in such behaviors yourself - no, you appear to be quite happy to outsource such things to the professionals with your full support. But somewhere across the sea, other people can point to you and say “See what barbaric things these people support and practice. Clearly they are no better than animals.” Well done, sir. Dammit, who hid the “like” button? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/383 "2017-01-18T18:56:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Holy shit dude, do you get paid by the word? No, are you going to own up to calling me a racist for spurious reasons? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/384 "2017-01-18T19:21:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I think this is another case of survival mode vs prosperity mode. > > In survival mode, you are fighting for your life. You are fighting for your existence. You are fighting for your family, your friends, your way of life. > > It is hard to be moral in this situation. When up against annihilation, every alternative, no matter how reprehensible, is acceptable. When they ask, “But then, how will we be better than them?” You can honestly answer, “We are alive, they are not.” > > In prosperity mode, you are not fighting against threats to your existence, you are at most, fighting against threats to your convenience. When up against inconvenience, even the smallest reprehensible act is unjustified. When they ask, “But then, how will we be better than them?” You answer, “We achieved our objectives with as few casualties as possible, we treated their wounded, and sheltered those who would seek refuge from the violence.” > > In the war in the Middle East, which of the fighting factions do you believe to be in survival mode, which do you believe to be in prosperity? > > Does this at least explain why we need to be better than our enemies? > > TL;DR, we can be better than our enemies, because we can afford to be better than our enemies. Do you feel better and more morally superior now? Good! Now explain to me what tangible, not emotional effect, this will have? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/385 "2017-01-18T19:23:32Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Do you feel better and more morally superior now? > > Good! > > Now explain to me what tangible, not emotional effect, this will have? It will maintain the morale of the US military, since we want to be the good guys; it will help ensure the vast majority of Muslims worldwide see us as preferable allies over extremist groups like ISIS (thus minimizing their recruiting); it will help maintain international support for the fight against extremists. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/386 "2017-01-18T19:37:59Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Do you feel better and more morally superior now? > > Good! > > Now explain to me what tangible, not emotional effect, this will have? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It will maintain the morale of the US military, since we want to be the good guys; it will help ensure the vast majority of Muslims worldwide see us as preferable allies over extremist groups like ISIS (thus minimizing their recruiting); it will help maintain international support for the fight against extremists. Now I think it’s \*\*OMG’s \*\*turn. **OMG** , what tangible benefit will murdering the innocent relatives of terrorists have? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/387 "2017-01-18T19:54:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I figure Trump’s supporters have to brag it up now. This is the apogee of the Trump administration. It’s all going to start going downhill on January 20. There was a time I truly feared for this country. Now not so much. I’m positive we’re headed down the drain, but all his ignorant supporters are going to be the first to bottom out as they are typically at the bottom of society. Things won’t be better with this Oligarchy. Time to convert market investments into secure cash accounts. One tweet from this moron could send markets spiraling downward around the world. Cover your ass financially, then sit back and laugh while his minions stand there with their pants down wondering what happened and why their butt holes hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/388 "2017-01-18T20:02:43Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > There are too many responss for me to go through each one, one by one. > > … Yes, that many responses proves what an excellent troll you are. Kudos. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/389 "2017-01-18T20:20:09Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Do you feel better and more morally superior now? To be honest, I usually don’t feel any sort of moral superiority, but as you are advocating for torturing and killing innocent families… well, yeah, I am quite a bit morally superior to you. > [@](#): > > Good! > > Now explain to me what tangible, not emotional effect, this will have? Can we start with fewer people being killed, wounded or tortured? Or is that not a tangible effect for you? What other effects? Well, in a cycle of violence, it doesn’t end until one side is dead, or one side stops perpetuating it. Unless you want to kill everyone, not just the terrorists and families of terrorist that you have said that you wanted to kill, but their families, their friends, and the families and friends of those, and so on, until there quite literally is no one left alive that opposes you, then the only other way to stop the cycle of violence… is to stop it. So, in the choice between genocide and not-genocide, I choose not-genocide. I could go into detail as to why I feel that this is a better option. Can you explain to me what tangible, not emotional, effect genocide will have? We do have the ability to commit genocide. Do we have the ability to not commit genocide? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/390 "2017-01-18T20:22:46Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Do you feel better and more morally superior now? > > Good! > > Now explain to me what tangible, not emotional effect, this will have? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It will maintain the morale of the US military, since we want to be the good guys; it will help ensure the vast majority of Muslims worldwide see us as preferable allies over extremist groups like ISIS (thus minimizing their recruiting); it will help maintain international support for the fight against extremists. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Now I think it’s \*\*OMG’s \*\*turn. **OMG** , what tangible benefit will murdering the innocent relatives of terrorists have? It will shrink the pool of potential recruits. :dubious: (Horrified onlookers worrried about how to avoid being next don’t count, because reasons.) ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/391 "2017-01-18T20:52:10Z")
Maybe this approach could be expanded domestically. Maybe instead of just executing a Timothy McVeigh, we should also execute his family members. (To make it fair, we’ll stick to those who have at least a 50% DNA overlap. This would mean parents, siblings and offspring.) If that doesn’t work, we’ll start on the teachers, ex-girlfriends, favorite comedians, etc. Hey, I’m just brainstorming here. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/392 "2017-01-18T21:03:46Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Maybe this approach could be expanded domestically. Maybe instead of just executing a Timothy McVeigh, we should also execute his family members. (To make it fair, we’ll stick to those who have at least a 50% DNA overlap. This would mean parents, siblings and offspring.) > > If that doesn’t work, we’ll start on the teachers, ex-girlfriends, favorite comedians, etc. Hey, I’m just brainstorming here. **SSSSH!** Don’t give Trump or his retarded fans any ideas. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/393 "2017-01-18T21:07:44Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Maybe this approach could be expanded domestically. Maybe instead of just executing a Timothy McVeigh, we should also execute his family members. (To make it fair, we’ll stick to those who have at least a 50% DNA overlap. This would mean parents, siblings and offspring.) > > If that doesn’t work, we’ll start on the teachers, ex-girlfriends, favorite comedians, etc. Hey, I’m just brainstorming here. You are letting them off easy. Not kill. Torture and kill. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/394 "2017-01-18T22:02:01Z")
Doesn’t this OP sound very homoerotic? Maybe this is the conservative response to having their party taken over by a fece, and the horror of looking at it and trying to spin it as positive for the next 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/395 "2017-01-18T22:26:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > [Clothahump’s photobucket](http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Clothahump/media/Misc/13179367_1764662927103098_212546274180787223_n1_zps0os4mvhn.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3) > > Yes, Clothahump. Yes I do. You and me both. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/396 "2017-01-18T22:41:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You and me both. Perhaps you shouldn’t look in the mirror so much. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/397 "2017-01-18T23:03:09Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > That’s a bold claim. How much of the US population do you know? Does it make any fucking difference? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/398 "2017-01-18T23:26:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It will maintain the morale of the US military, since we want to be the good guys Not to speak for “the military”, but people generally believe their cause is the right one and “just”, even if it’s objectively “wrong”. For as long as they believe in their cause, morale will be high. And speaking of morale, haven’t our own generals criticized our current foreign policy in fighting ISIS? I’m vcurious-- do you want to fight a war in perpetuity? > [@](#): > > it will help ensure the vast majority of Muslims worldwide see us as preferable allies over extremist groups like ISIS (thus minimizing their recruiting) I feel confident in saying they’re going to hate us regardless. We could pack up, go home, and remain isolationist, and groups like ISIS will still exist with strong numbers. Why? Because groups like ISIS are based an ideology which is predicated on subjugating and killing those of whom they consider “infidels”, or whose values do not match their own. Is not PC to say, but terrorism-- especially of the Islamic variety-- is usually a family affair. That jihadi we’re fighting against is also most likely joined by by his brothers, his cousins and his uncles. If he’s got children, those children are also likely training to be terrorists, if they’re not already (go watch some of ISIS’ videos teaching children how to kill someone). His wife, if she wasn’t abducted, is also likely supporting him along with her family. Whether you admit it or not it is what it is (and this doesn’t just pertain to ISIS. Look at Boko Haram in Nigeria). Why do you think we keep a close eye on people who’s relatives are known terrorists? No one is talking about taking a gun and blasting away some toddler or some 90 year old grandmother-- which I know you all realize. You all can say what you will about me, as you will, but at least I choose to live in reality and not some damn bubble. Like it or not, that “singular terrorist” is usually not so singular, and if you think that taking out one here or one there is going to change something, then I’ve got some beach front property in Nebraska to sell you. > [@](#): > > it will help maintain international support for the fight against extremists. Look. Let’s be real. Along with Russia and Turkey, the US is doing most of the heavy lifting, money wise and man power wise in trying to fight terrorism. Needless to say, I’m not really swayed by what countries who are slow to help but quick to criticize think. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/399 "2017-01-18T23:52:33Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You and me both. Do you have anything to say about the revelation of your incredible hypocrisy when you posted pictures lamenting the death of America in 2012? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/400 "2017-01-18T23:56:33Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Not to speak for “the military”, but people generally believe their cause is the right one and “just”, even if it’s objectively “wrong”. For as long as they believe in their cause, morale will be high. > > And speaking of morale, haven’t our own generals criticized our current foreign policy in fighting ISIS? I’m vcurious-- do you want to fight a war in perpetuity? > > I feel confident in saying they’re going to hate us regardless. We could pack up, go home, and remain isolationist, and groups like ISIS will still exist with strong numbers. Why? Because groups like ISIS are based an ideology which is predicated on subjugating and killing those of whom they consider “infidels”, or whose values do not match their own. > > Is not PC to say, but terrorism-- especially of the Islamic variety-- is usually a family affair. That jihadi we’re fighting against is also most likely joined by by his brothers, his cousins and his uncles. If he’s got children, those children are also likely training to be terrorists, if they’re not already (go watch some of ISIS’ videos teaching children how to kill someone). His wife, if she wasn’t abducted, is also likely supporting him along with her family. Whether you admit it or not it is what it is (and this doesn’t just pertain to ISIS. Look at Boko Haram in Nigeria). Why do you think we keep a close eye on people who’s relatives are known terrorists? > > No one is talking about taking a gun and blasting away some toddler or some 90 year old grandmother-- which I know you all realize. > > You all can say what you will about me, as you will, but at least I choose to live in reality and not some damn bubble. Like it or not, that “singular terrorist” is usually not so singular, and if you think that taking out one here or one there is going to change something, then I’ve got some beach front property in Nebraska to sell you. > > Look. Let’s be real. Along with Russia and Turkey, the US is doing most of the heavy lifting, money wise and man power wise in trying to fight terrorism. > > Needless to say, I’m not really swayed by what countries who are slow to help but quick to criticize think. They don’t hate us because of some ideology. They hate us because their lives suck, and they blame us (not entirely without merit) for that. Terrorism does tend to have family affiliation. We kill some people, and then their family retaliates against us. Unless you are contemplating genocide here, I am not sure where that’s gonna stop. You may not be talking about deliberately killing the elderly or children, but your attitude certainly does mean that they their deaths will not be a negative when considering the collateral damage of an action. You really wanna fix the middle east? Kill 'em with kindness. I mean this literally. We load up all our bombers, our missiles, and our artillery, and we launch a full offensive, releasing hundreds of tons of marshmallows upon them. This lets them know what we are capable of, if we choose to. These people do not understand the disparity in power between them and us, and so they fight a fight that they think they can win. If they realize how outclassed they really our, and how much we are holding back from what we are capable of doing to them, they may start to rethink that stance. Follow this up with aid and care packages, not just food and medical supplies, but also containing cell phones, tablets, and laptops. Drop a few thousand d trailers, decked out with AC, plumbing, and big screen TV’s. Drop Generators and fuel for them, cell phone infrastructure, wifi and wired broadband routers, and other communications infrastructure. Suddenly, their lives don’t suck, and they “blame” us for that. They will no longer tolerate terrorists in their midst, and turn on them, or turn them in for us to deal with. We now have a stable population that likes us, and owes us, and is willing to work with us. Those are tangible benefits. What’s your genocide get you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=21)