# I'm gonna have to pit all you butt-hurt snowflakes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203 "2017-01-15T03:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/401 "2017-01-19T00:01:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you have anything to say about the revelation of your incredible hypocrisy when you posted pictures lamenting the death of America in 2012? 10 quatloos it’s “Fuck you.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/402 "2017-01-19T00:04:04Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Not to speak for “the military”, but people generally believe their cause is the right one and “just”, even if it’s objectively “wrong”. For as long as they believe in their cause, morale will be high. I’m happy to speak for myself as a veteran – if we were deliberately killing the families of terrorists, then my morale would have been shattered. If I had been given an order that I knew was a deliberate attempt to target civilians (terrorist families or otherwise), I might disobey it. I’m not the only veteran who feels similarly. > [@](#): > > And speaking of morale, haven’t our own generals criticized our current foreign policy in fighting ISIS? I’m vcurious-- do you want to fight a war in perpetuity? Absolutely not – and I think deliberately killing terrorist families and bringing back torture would extend the conflict, and weaken and further endanger America and Americans. I’m unaware of any active duty flag officers in favor of targeting the families of terrorists or bringing back torture. > [@](#): > > I feel confident in saying they’re going to hate us regardless. We could pack up, go home, and remain isolationist, and groups like ISIS will still exist with strong numbers. Why? Because groups like ISIS are based an ideology which is predicated on subjugating and killing those of whom they consider “infidels”, or whose values do not match their own. > > Is not PC to say, but terrorism-- especially of the Islamic variety-- is usually a family affair. That jihadi we’re fighting against is also most likely joined by by his brothers, his cousins and his uncles. If he’s got children, those children are also likely training to be terrorists, if they’re not already (go watch some of ISIS’ videos teaching children how to kill someone). His wife, if she wasn’t abducted, is also likely supporting him along with her family. Whether you admit it or not it is what it is (and this doesn’t just pertain to ISIS. Look at Boko Haram in Nigeria). Why do you think we keep a close eye on people who’s relatives are known terrorists? > > No one is talking about taking a gun and blasting away some toddler or some 90 year old grandmother-- which I know you all realize. > > You all can say what you will about me, as you will, but at least I choose to live in reality and not some damn bubble. Like it or not, that “singular terrorist” is usually not so singular, and if you think that taking out one here or one there is going to change something, then I’ve got some beach front property in Nebraska to sell you. They’ll still exist, but they’d be a lot weaker, IMO (not that I advocate isolationism). They’re already very unpopular with most of the Muslim world… but so are we. I think our actions have something to do with this – I don’t think every Muslim in the world is entirely rational – so I think we could do more to present ourselves in a good light to moderate, non-violent Muslims (i.e. most Muslims). If we (and the West in general) were more popular with Muslims, we would have a much larger pool to cooperate with to defeat ISIS. I think your strategy is a fantasy-world strategy, not a real-world strategy, in which motivations and intentions are usually complex, and most people of any religion aren’t fanatics. Most people, especially those without great means, are more worried about feeding their families and staying safe than ideology. > [@](#): > > Look. Let’s be real. Along with Russia and Turkey, the US is doing most of the heavy lifting, money wise and man power wise in trying to fight terrorism. > > Needless to say, I’m not really swayed by what countries who are slow to help but quick to criticize think. Short of nuking the entire region, and becoming the worst villains on Earth in human history, I think there’s literally no way America can defeat ISIS and other extremists alone. We will require cooperation (and even leadership) from those in the region to permanently defeat them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/403 "2017-01-19T00:17:47Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > No one is talking about taking a gun and blasting away some toddler or some 90 year old grandmother-- which I know you all realize. Trump appears to be in favor of this: > [@Trump](#): > > The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families. You might be reading into this that he somehow exempts toddlers or grandmothers, but I don’t see why. “You have to take out their families” quite clearly would often include toddlers and grandmothers. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/404 "2017-01-19T00:33:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump appears to be in favor of this: > > **You might be reading into this that he somehow exempts toddlers or grandmothers,** but I don’t see why. “You have to take out their families” quite clearly would often include toddlers and grandmothers. You need ol’ Kellyanne to extract that nuance. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/405 "2017-01-19T00:46:27Z")
take out the families eh? does anyone know where the sicillians acquired the art of the vendetta from? there Arabian invaders/neighbors from the south … so yeah lets give them a reason to bomb and kill us for 2000 years…because someone will always remember … ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/406 "2017-01-19T00:47:04Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > No one is talking about taking a gun and blasting away some toddler or some 90 year old grandmother-- which I know you all realize. Yeah, guns are too personal. Bombs and drones will do just fine. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/407 "2017-01-19T01:03:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are letting them off easy. > > Not kill. > > Torture and kill. and eat. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/408 "2017-01-19T01:05:35Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 10 quatloos it’s “Fuck you.” Ill take that bet! I say it’ll be “Fuck off.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/409 "2017-01-19T01:08:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m happy to speak for myself as a veteran – if we were deliberately killing the families of terrorists, then my morale would have been shattered. If I had been given an order that I knew was a deliberate attempt to target civilians (terrorist families or otherwise), I might disobey it. I’m not the only veteran who feels similarly. I’m another one - former Army. We know the difference between a lawful order and a war crime. “I was just following orders” didn’t work at the Nuremberg trials either. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/410 "2017-01-19T01:12:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If we (and the West in general) were more popular with Muslims, we would have a much larger pool to cooperate with to defeat ISIS. That. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/411 "2017-01-19T01:24:23Z")
So what happens when Trump is sworn in, and immediately violates the Foreign Emoluments Clause? or even the Domestiic Emoluments Clause. It is painfully obvious he has no plan or intention to divest of ANYthing. … His ties to Russia, his hotel in DC (that used to be a post office and whose own policy states that NO one in office can be an owner due to conflict of interest) etc. Trump’s lawyers are already trying to use “the Federalist” as justification to NOT divest… and failing. A critical feature of the Foreign Emoluments Clause is that, by its very terms, it reaches “any . . . Emolument . . .\*\* of any kind whatever\*\*.” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/412 "2017-01-19T02:09:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you have anything to say about the revelation of your incredible hypocrisy when you posted pictures lamenting the death of America in 2012? What hypocrisy? It was bad enough that you liberal twits elected Obama in 2008. But when you did it again in 2012, it really marked the death of reason in this country. Fortunately, we were able to shock it back here in 2016. Let’s hope it stays alive through 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/413 "2017-01-19T02:13:19Z")
Oh, so the country _was_ destroyed, only it got better. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/414 "2017-01-19T02:14:41Z")
I’m honestly at a loss as to how to handle delusion as deep and profound as Humpy’s. How do you argue reality when the other person has absolutely no connection to it? ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/415 "2017-01-19T02:17:18Z")
Trump is the snowflake ! ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/416 "2017-01-19T02:24:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It will maintain the morale of the US military, since we want to be the good guys; it will help ensure the vast majority of Muslims worldwide see us as preferable allies over extremist groups like ISIS (thus minimizing their recruiting); it will help maintain international support for the fight against extremists. From what you say you seem to agree with the principle that taking punitive action against an entire group of people based on the actions of a subgroup among them is a bad thing to do, correct? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/417 "2017-01-19T02:32:14Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m honestly at a loss as to how to handle delusion as deep and profound as Humpy’s. How do you argue reality when the other person has absolutely no connection to it? You can console yourself with the fact that what he’s saying comes from deep loneliness and inadequacy. But this is his thread. You all are choosing to participate, but are you doing it as the OP says? Or are you mediating, explaining, reasoning? Because you know that’s a problem with us liberals. We don’t know what the fight consists of and we try to talk to it. I still say the homoeroticism of the OP is not happenstance. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/418 "2017-01-19T03:16:49Z")
**Clothahump** must feel _very strongly_ about maintaining the Cuba embargo. Other than that, I can’t imagine what’s made him so angry about the past four years. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/419 "2017-01-19T06:24:04Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m honestly at a loss as to how to handle delusion as deep and profound as Humpy’s. How do you argue reality when the other person has absolutely no connection to it? > [@Colibri](#): > > Idiot troll is idiot troll. You _ban the idiot troll_ and make the entire forum better as a result. Not a hard decision, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/420 "2017-01-19T06:30:20Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You _ban the idiot troll_ and make the entire forum better as a result. Not a hard decision, IMO. **billfish678** or **humpy**? It’s hard to keep the idiot trolls straight since they turned the orange maniac loose on America. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=22)