# I'm gonna have to pit all you butt-hurt snowflakes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203 "2017-01-15T03:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/761 "2017-01-30T16:14:01Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you don’t consider getting debate questions before the debate as "cheating > > The bigger collusion that subverted the DNC was all the colonization of the Democratic National Party by the Ready for Hillary crowd. The DNC and the Democratic machine lined up behind Hillary because it was her turn and there wasn’t any room for people like Biden (do you think Biden could have beaten Trump or does the fact that he couldn’t get enough support to even enter the race mean that he couldn’t have beaten Trump as well?). My opinion is that the assumption that it was Hillary’s turn has been going on for a long time - since before 2008, even. I think there has been subtle and not so subtle pressure on Democrats to not even think about opposing her for a long time. I know I made fun of the Republican clown car but I think a lot of Democrats in Hillarys peer group avoided any sort career move that might give the impression that they would even think of opposing her. Bernie was a contrarian at the end of his career, there wasn’t much the Clintons could do to them. And I guess it’s almost a tradition for the VP to at least think about running, which is why Biden had to make a show about thinking about it. But Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Brown - just to name a few qualified Dems off the top of my head- never even THOUGHT about opposing her. I think the theory was that she would stand a better chance in the general if she was unbloodied by a hard primary fight but that backfired. While I laughed at the clown car I also wished there was more competition on my side. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/762 "2017-01-30T16:18:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Whatever sounds good in your little bubble, snowflake. It’s your side who’s afraid of [non-existent threats.](https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis) > [@](#): > > Including those murdered in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 (9/11), the chance of an American perishing in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil that was committed by a foreigner over the 41-year period studied here is **1 in 3.6 million per year.** The hazard posed by foreigners who entered on different visa categories varies considerably. For instance, the chance of an American being murdered in a terrorist attack caused by a refugee is **1 in 3.64 billion per year** while the chance of being murdered in an attack committed by an illegal immigrant is an astronomical **1 in 10.9 billion per year.** By contrast, the chance of being murdered by a tourist on a B visa, the most common tourist visa, is **1 in 3.9 million per year.** Any government response to terrorism must take account of the wide range of hazards posed by foreign-born terrorists who entered under various visa categories Don’t forget those figures _include_ the attack on the WTC. Take out that anomaly and the odds are even greater. Quivering little cowards. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/763 "2017-01-30T16:42:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Could it be because both of them also won the popular vote, so it was a moot point? Bill Clinton didn’t, the first time around. He only got 43%. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/764 "2017-01-30T16:49:55Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Bill Clinton didn’t, the first time around. He only got 43%. B. Clinton did win the popular vote, Bush only got 37%. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/765 "2017-01-30T16:50:40Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Bill Clinton didn’t, the first time around. He only got 43%. That’s winning the popular vote. He had a plurality, if not a majority. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/766 "2017-01-30T17:24:49Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Bill Clinton didn’t, the first time around. He only got 43%. Clinton also got less than half the popular vote the second time as well. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/767 "2017-01-30T17:31:28Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > My opinion is that the assumption that it was Hillary’s turn has been going on for a long time - since before 2008, even. I think there has been subtle and not so subtle pressure on Democrats to not even think about opposing her for a long time. I know I made fun of the Republican clown car but I think a lot of Democrats in Hillarys peer group avoided any sort career move that might give the impression that they would even think of opposing her. > > Bernie was a contrarian at the end of his career, there wasn’t much the Clintons could do to them. And I guess it’s almost a tradition for the VP to at least think about running, which is why Biden had to make a show about thinking about it. > But Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Brown - just to name a few qualified Dems off the top of my head- never even THOUGHT about opposing her. > > I think the theory was that she would stand a better chance in the general if she was unbloodied by a hard primary fight but that backfired. > > While I laughed at the clown car I also wished there was more competition on my side. I think that’s right. The mantra of her inevitability shouted out any dissenting opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/768 "2017-01-30T17:35:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s your side who’s afraid of [non-existent threats.](https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis) > > Don’t forget those figures _include_ the attack on the WTC. Take out that anomaly and the odds are even greater. > > Quivering little cowards. My side? :dubious: So, if I don’t adhere to some pre-approved liberal orthodoxy, that puts me on the same side as Trump? I’m not even a Cato institute libertarian, I’m with Trump? Is this one of those “if your not with us (on everything), you’re against us” sort of situations? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/769 "2017-01-30T17:42:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you don’t think the Left squandered credibility by crying wolf at Romney and McCain (pre-Palin). And now when the left says “that’s one bad dude” the rest of the country goes “oh yeah? Show me.” > > The left has sunk to the level of the Republicans and now both parties are just chasing the base. Republicans aren’t chasing conservatives and Democrats aren’t chasing liberals. Its all about the base, no treble. Some of us actually liked and respected McCain, and said so. Palin on the other hand … ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/770 "2017-01-30T17:47:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you don’t think the Left squandered credibility by crying wolf at Romney and McCain (pre-Palin). And now when the left says “that’s one bad dude” the rest of the country goes “oh yeah? Show me.” > > The left has sunk to the level of the Republicans and now both parties are just chasing the base. Republicans aren’t chasing conservatives and Democrats aren’t chasing liberals. Its all about the base, no treble. I think what drives Republicans into the burn-the-state-burn-the-press-burn-the-educated/elites-burn-the-poor/ethnics-toss-all-procedural-norms-out-the-window-and-welcome-the-coming-doomsday/chaos/anarchy party is the constant delusion that Democrats act/campaign in similar ways. This delusion is dangerous. There is no both-sides-are-wrong equivalency in your country. One half of your country voted for political arsonists who hate their fellow Americans so much they want to burn down the state. The other side is the Democratic party. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/771 "2017-01-30T17:53:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Clinton also got less than half the popular vote the second time as well. > > Regards, > Shodan But Clinton got more votes than Dole. And more than Perot. So he won the Electoral college–but also led in the Popular vote. Trump is the guy who is millions behind in the popular vote, despite winning the Electoral college. I’ll be glad to shut up about this–when Your Guy Trump does. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/772 "2017-01-30T17:53:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Clinton also got less than half the popular vote the second time as well. > > Regards, > Shodan But he won the popular vote. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/773 "2017-01-30T17:54:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > My side? :dubious: > > So, if I don’t adhere to some pre-approved liberal orthodoxy, that puts me on the same side as Trump? I’m not even a Cato institute libertarian, I’m with Trump? > > Is this one of those “if your not with us (on everything), you’re against us” sort of situations? If it quacks like a Republican… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/774 "2017-01-30T18:13:51Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I don’t recall you objecting to the screwy system when it elected Obama. Or objecting that it elected Bill Clinton. 1. Obama and Clinton won the popular vote twice each. The screwy system ratified the wins that they’d have gotten if our Presidential election was decided by popular vote. 2. The National Popular Vote compact has been discussed on these boards numerous times. I’m all for it, and have said so, assuming it doesn’t get shot down on Constitutional grounds. 3. I have also repeatedly lamented the fact that Bush’s EC win over Gore in 2000, while losing the popular vote, made the Electoral College sacrosanct with most Republicans, including pretty much all Republicans elected to Congress. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/775 "2017-01-30T18:16:23Z")
1. At any rate, the point of my earlier post wasn’t to make the case for popular vote v. the EC, but just to point out that there’s a difference between ‘the outcome of our screwy system’ and ‘what Americans support.’ ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/776 "2017-01-30T18:59:15Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > But he won the popular vote. The race that no candidate was running for. Even Bill recognized that he needed to win the EC. As did Hillary, Trump, Obama, Bush (2), Reagan, Carter, Kennedy, Eisenhower, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/777 "2017-01-30T19:17:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > So you don’t think the Left squandered credibility by crying wolf at Romney and McCain (pre-Palin). And now when the left says “that’s one bad dude” the rest of the country goes “oh yeah? Show me.” > > > > The left has sunk to the level of the Republicans and now both parties are just chasing the base. Republicans aren’t chasing conservatives and Democrats aren’t chasing liberals. Its all about the base, no treble. > > Some of us actually liked and respected McCain, and said so. Palin on the other hand … But McCain _lost_ respect (from me, for one) for choosing Palin. Plus he seemed to pander too much to the extreme part of the GOP. We liked the straight shooter who would go on programs like The Daily Show and make sense and say reasonable things. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/778 "2017-01-30T19:28:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Some of us actually liked and respected McCain, and said so. Palin on the other hand … I like McCain better in 2000 than in 2008 but even in 2008, he made efforts to shut down birthers and racists within his party. I voted for Obama but I was turned off by a lot of the apocalyptic language coming from the left if McCain got elected. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/779 "2017-01-30T19:33:36Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I think what drives Republicans into the burn-the-state-burn-the-press-burn-the-educated/elites-burn-the-poor/ethnics-toss-all-procedural-norms-out-the-window-and-welcome-the-coming-doomsday/chaos/anarchy party is the constant delusion that Democrats act/campaign in similar ways. This delusion is dangerous. There is no both-sides-are-wrong equivalency in your country. > > One half of your country voted for political arsonists who hate their fellow Americans so much they want to burn down the state. The other side is the Democratic party. So you think McCain and Romney are political arsonists that hate their fellow Americans so much they want to burn down the state? And you say this in the same post where you imply that Republicans campaign irresponsibly while the Democrats do not? But you’re right, Republicans engage in the same sort of hyperbolic vilianization. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203/780 "2017-01-30T19:34:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The race that no candidate was running for. Eat shit, asshole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-gonna-have-to-pit-all-you-butt-hurt-snowflakes/777203.md?page=40)