# I'm looking for a graphic of a butler that's public domain **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 28, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916 "2009-05-28T11:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/1 "2009-05-28T11:35:32Z")
Subject says it all, really. I’m looking for a graphic of a butler that’s in the public domain. I’ve been to (for example) [Clipartguide.com](http://Clipartguide.com) and their links to such images have expired, and the thumbnails have the site’s title on them, so are useless. Other sites I’ve visited say their images are copyright or want payment or do not give the status of the image or restrict the usage. This is to go on my business card, so simplicity would be good. A fledgling business does not want to be troubled with international copyright issues! ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/2 "2009-05-28T12:40:24Z")
You mean [like these](http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/clipart/results.aspx?qu=butler&sc=20)? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/3 "2009-05-28T14:17:18Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > You mean [like these](http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/clipart/results.aspx?qu=butler&sc=20)? They’re copyright Microsoft, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/4 "2009-05-28T14:19:14Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/5 "2009-05-28T14:22:03Z")
OK here’s [one](http://www.hasslefreeclipart.com/cart_people/butler.html). ---
**Author:** ![Simmerdown](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simmerdown/32/14859_2.png) [@Simmerdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simmerdown)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/6 "2009-05-28T14:56:11Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > OK here’s [one](http://www.hasslefreeclipart.com/cart_people/butler.html). Look just below, where it says **Terms** > [@](#): > > **You may not:** > > 1. Copyright any of the images > 2. Claim authorship > 3. Add them as part of another clip art collection > \*\*4. Use them as part of any commercial branding or identity-- i.e., as part of a logo \*\* Bolding mine. So this may not be kosher for the business card. ---
**Author:** ![Sheepish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@Sheepish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheepish)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/7 "2009-05-28T15:11:03Z")
just a thought, as I don’t have limited time to look right now, but try searching in different languages. Butler in Spanish, for example, is Mayordomo. [Here’s a cheesy one](http://www.esmero.net/imagenes/mayordomo.gif) ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/8 "2009-05-28T16:41:22Z")
Well if you could bear to part with a paltry £10 or so, you could legitimately purchase a royalty free image or graphic from [istockphoto.com](http://istockphoto.com) ---
**Author:** ![pantheon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@pantheon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantheon)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/9 "2009-05-28T20:20:47Z")
I wish I had a monkey butler… ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/10 "2009-05-28T21:45:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Subject says it all, really. I’m looking for a graphic of a butler that’s in the public domain. I’ve been to (for example) [Clipartguide.com](http://Clipartguide.com) and their links to such images have expired, and the thumbnails have the site’s title on them, so are useless. Other sites I’ve visited say their images are copyright or want payment or do not give the status of the image or restrict the usage. This is to go on my business card, so simplicity would be good. A fledgling business does not want to be troubled with international copyright issues! Try searching on illustrations of Dickens’ works. They are all in the public domain. Here are some of the artists, although few illustrations at this site. [http://www.fidnet.com/~dap1955/dickens/illustrations.html](http://www.fidnet.com/~dap1955/dickens/illustrations.html) Also try one of the other Cruickshank family of illustrators. Rowlandson and Gilray may work, but their style is probably much too cartoonish. Also try looking in the Illustrated Police Gazette. Some old Jane Austen illustrations have servants in them - there’s a site called “Pemberley” or something which has a lot of illustrations along those lines. Ah, here it is in my bookmarks: [http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/pembfun/victcfsh.html](http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/pembfun/victcfsh.html) As other search terms, you might try “servant” or “manservant.” Sorry, I’d do some searches for you, but I’m at a place where my net access is limited, so all I can do, sadly, is suggest. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/11 "2009-05-28T21:47:24Z")
> [@pantheon](#): > > I wish I had a monkey butler… Search on “Monkey Brand Soap”, there are a few great adverts in the public domain by them featuring monkey butlers. I have a very large scan of one in my gallery (sorry, can’t link to it from here, but it you really want it I can mail it to you). ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/12 "2009-05-28T21:55:52Z")
Aha - found another link in my 12,000 bookmarks. Try searching here, using the keyword search: [http://www.dmvi.cardiff.ac.uk/](http://www.dmvi.cardiff.ac.uk/) This database of woodcuts is a lovely place to browse. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/13 "2009-05-28T22:58:42Z")
Excellent! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/14 "2009-05-29T02:12:52Z")
Does the stuff on wiki count as public domain? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/15 "2009-05-29T02:15:07Z")
> [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](#): > > Does the stuff on wiki count as public domain? That depends - whether or not something is or is not public domain is independent of it existing on Wikipedia. Some items are, some fall under the GNU license, some are “presumed public domain”, and some are clearly copyright violations. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-looking-for-a-graphic-of-a-butler-thats-public-domain/497916/16 "2009-05-29T03:21:41Z")
> [@pantheon](#): > > I wish I had a monkey butler… I bet he would constantly be mocking you with his monkey pants.