# I'm no longer a Jew. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727 "2010-09-14T14:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/1 "2010-09-14T14:40:18Z")
[This Is Not How Jews Behave](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hV-3mbsgikznLMNAy48FeFrXrmFAD9I6VNMG0). This is not what Jews do. We do not throw human beings away because their very presence will dilute the purity of the Jewishness of Israel. The video footage of the [Israeli Parliment politician](http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/09/14/hancocks.me.children.in.limbo.cnn?hpt=C2) waving his arms and decrying the kids’ right to remain in the country where they were born is so eerily reminiscent of Leni Riefenstahl as to be, well, facist. The Jewishness of Israel ?? REALLY ??? Fuck you, you political fascist. Fuck you, you inhuman **and** inhumane bastard. You want to live in a state where you get to exclude anyone who is not just like you and yours? Cool- neonazis are everywhere in Europe and North America. Go, move your family, start a compound, raise a flag and be what you are. I was born an ethnic Jew and that is inescapable. My last name is a Tribal name. As far as how I identify myself? No. I am no longer a Jew. Jews do not do this to other human beings. That’s what Nazis do. :mad: Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/2 "2010-09-14T14:49:10Z")
Don’t see how this is radically different from the debates ongoing in America, Canada and Europe over what to do about illegals. Jews are no different from other people. Give them a country, and they behave like other people, with exactly the same concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/3 "2010-09-14T14:50:45Z")
You just noticed now that Israel is a state that is founded on exclusion? The whole point of Israel is that it is where ‘the Jewry’ live - if the majority is no longer Jewish, then it ceases to fulfill its purpose. It is an ethnic state founded specifically for the purpose of providing a Jewish Homeland. What is the point of Israel if Jews become a minority within its borders? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/4 "2010-09-14T15:27:30Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > I was born an ethnic Jew and that is inescapable. My last name is a Tribal name. As far as how I identify myself? No. I am no longer a Jew. Jews do not do this to other human beings. From the article you quoted: > [@](#): > > “What about the Jewish heart and Jewish compassion and Jewish morality?” pleaded Elie Wiesel, the Nobel winning Holocaust survivor, speaking out against the deportations. > [@](#): > > But the migrants have gained some powerful allies, including Cabinet ministers on the left and right of Israeli politics and a group of Holocaust survivors. The prime minister’s wife has spoken out against the policy, and Israel’s kibbutz movement has vowed to hide the children in the country’s 280 kibbutzim to thwart their deportation. > [@](#): > > “This is not the Jewish state I know if it deports children,” Industry Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer shouted during a Cabinet debate. > [@](#): > > “If the government doesn’t want anymore children, then they should stop bringing in their parents,” said Rozen. “It’s as simple as that.” So, how does it make you not a bigot against your own ethnic group to treat all of it with such disgust over the actions of \*some \*of its members? And how does it help the image of that group for you to abandon it instead of fight to reclaim it as you believe it should be? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/5 "2010-09-14T15:30:22Z")
Hush, you’ll spoil his garment-rending and interrupt his wailing and gnashing of teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/6 "2010-09-14T15:31:38Z")
Again from the article: “Israel’s kibbutz movement has vowed to hide the children in the country’s 280 kibbutzim to thwart their deportation.” That, too, is what Jews do. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/7 "2010-09-14T15:37:34Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Hush, you’ll spoil his garment-rending and interrupt his wailing and gnashing of teeth. No, that’s what Jews do, and he’s not a Jew anymore. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Again from the article: > “Israel’s kibbutz movement has vowed to hide the children in the country’s 280 kibbutzim to thwart their deportation.” :cough:Iquotedthatalready.:cough: ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/8 "2010-09-14T15:38:05Z")
Jews don’t do either act. People do. Some people are bastards, some are nice. Some are right wing but nice, some are left wing but nice. Some will sacrifice kids to push their political agenda and gain power and influence, some won’t. Your problem is with people not Jews. You expect too much of a label. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/9 "2010-09-14T15:40:22Z")
I’m not the first, nor will I be the last, to point out that Israel’s occasional tendency to speak with the voice of the Nazis is reminiscent of the case of abused children who grow up to be abusers themselves. It is gratifying to see that Israel also contains those who remember and have learned where inhumanity in the name of racial purity can lead, and are willing to act against it. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/10 "2010-09-14T15:47:11Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not the first, nor will I be the last, to point out that Israel’s occasional tendency to speak with the voice of the Nazis is reminiscent of the case of abused children who grow up to be abusers themselves. It is gratifying to see that Israel also contains those who remember and have learned where inhumanity in the name of racial purity can lead, and are willing to act against it. If Israeli politicians are only fussed about this issue because of abused child syndrome, why are some politicians in Europe, US and Canada fired up about more or less the exact same issues? See for example: “anchor babies”, Arizona papering Latinos, etc. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/11 "2010-09-14T15:48:07Z")
Eh, some days you’re the Nazi, some days you’re the Jew. For this, such apostasy? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/12 "2010-09-14T16:03:30Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > If Israeli politicians are only fussed about this issue because of abused child syndrome, why are some politicians in Europe, US and Canada fired up about more or less the exact same issues? > > See for example: “anchor babies”, Arizona papering Latinos, etc. Indeed, Ireland changed its constitution in recent years to eliminate using “anchor babies” to get citizenship. By the way, was it a security issue that stopped Israelis hiring Palestinians? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/13 "2010-09-14T16:04:01Z")
This is the sort of thing that can happen when a country doesn’t have ius soli citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/14 "2010-09-14T16:06:01Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > By the way, was it a security issue that stopped Israelis hiring Palestinians? Yes. It was because of the Second Intafada in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/15 "2010-09-14T16:38:07Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > [This Is Not How Jews Behave](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hV-3mbsgikznLMNAy48FeFrXrmFAD9I6VNMG0). > > This is not what Jews do. We do not throw human beings away because their very presence will dilute the purity of the Jewishness of Israel. > > The video footage of the [Israeli Parliment politician](http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/09/14/hancocks.me.children.in.limbo.cnn?hpt=C2) waving his arms and decrying the kids’ right to remain in the country where they were born is so eerily reminiscent of Leni Riefenstahl as to be, well, facist. The Jewishness of Israel ?? REALLY ??? > > Fuck you, you political fascist. Fuck you, you inhuman **and** inhumane bastard. You want to live in a state where you get to exclude anyone who is not just like you and yours? Cool- neonazis are everywhere in Europe and North America. Go, move your family, start a compound, raise a flag and be what you are. > > I was born an ethnic Jew and that is inescapable. My last name is a Tribal name. As far as how I identify myself? No. I am no longer a Jew. Jews do not do this to other human beings. > > That’s what Nazis do. > > :mad: > > Cartooniverse Are you going to renounce your American citizenship as well ? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/16 "2010-09-14T16:41:09Z")
Maybe YOU’RE an example of a “real Jew” in this dispute, **Cartooniverse**? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/17 "2010-09-14T16:45:13Z")
So, a Jew, a Palestinian, and a migrant worker walk into a bar… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/18 "2010-09-14T17:05:34Z")
Sorry, Israel, but you’re living in a global world here. Unless you’re planning on building a huge honking wall and cutting your whole country off from the rest of the world, people are going to come and go from your country, and that’s a _good_ thing. There are any number of groups that are always crying about losing their culture; I think that culture evolves and changes, and the good, strong parts will stay, and the rest will change into something else. I don’t think trying to force a culture to remain stagnant works very well. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/19 "2010-09-14T17:05:38Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > **I’m no longer a Jew.** > Cartooniverse Mazeltov! I mean, congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/20 "2010-09-14T17:08:44Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Jews don’t do either act. People do. > > Some people are bastards, some are nice. Some are right wing but nice, some are left wing but nice. > > Some will sacrifice kids to push their political agenda and gain power and influence, some won’t. > > Your problem is with people not Jews. You’ve convinced me. I’m no longer a person. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727.md?page=2)