# I'm no longer a Jew. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727 "2010-09-14T14:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/61 "2010-09-15T09:53:02Z")
Here’s my question: why does every thread that happens to mention the word “Israel” eventually devolve into the \*exact same \*Israel thread? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/62 "2010-09-15T11:23:31Z")
**Cartoon** , don’t succumb to self-hatred. There’s no reason to take responsibility for things you aren’t even doing. I mean, if I had to give back my “negro” card every time some black people somewhere did something wrong, I would have to check off “I AM NO RACE!” on the census form. What people are advocating in Israel is fucked up, IMHO. But then again, the whole idea of a country restricted to a people who have a specific maternal ancestry is messed-up on its face. It would be no different if white Americans decided that they suddenly wanted a “white” country and kicked everyone–including Native Americans–out. And then opened the doors to everyone who are white (but only the “right” kind of white), damn the people who have been living in the country for centuries. That’s crazy, and so is Israel. Lovely people, the Hebrews, but I’m not in love with the country (or the ones surrounding it…the whole region just seems like a place of madness.) Yeah, yeah, everything is fair in love and war. I’ve heard it _ad naseum_. But I still don’t see the fundamental difference between race-based citizenship and ethnic or religious-based citizenship. Especially if we are talking about everyone catering to the whims of a numerical minority. I say folks should take the whole lot of kids and do a massive conversion. Turn them into bonafied Jews. Then, let them return when they reach the age of majority (that is, if they want to return to a country that rejected them). Then they will marry other Jews, and their kids can join the other non-practicing, secular Jews that represent the majority of the country. That’s what I would do if I had a child in this situation. But I’m not glued to any religion, so it’s quite easy for me to see this as the MAJOR BULLSHIT CRAP that it is. I don’t like that the US is considering doing a similar thing. Just becaue we’re doing it doesn’t make it right. In fact, given our foreign policy, I’d say countries would be wise to do the OPPOSITE of what we’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/63 "2010-09-15T12:06:47Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I say folks should take the whole lot of kids and do a massive conversion. Turn them into bonafied Jews. Then, let them return when they reach the age of majority (that is, if they want to return to a country that rejected them). Then they will marry other Jews, and their kids can join the other non-practicing, secular Jews that represent the majority of the country. I’ve been thinking about it, and you know what? I think that many, perhaps even most Israeli Jews would have no problem with this proposal. I’d certainly be for it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/64 "2010-09-15T13:27:05Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > Organizing a country around a religion is dumb. It screws up the government and it screws up the religion too. Trust me, I know. The sainted Founding Fathers of the US knew it a couple of centuries ago, too. > [@Alessan](#): > > Here’s my question: why does every thread that happens to mention the word “Israel” eventually devolve into the \*exact same \*Israel thread? Because the major issues there all stem from the \*exact same \*causes. > [@Alessan](#): > > > [@monstro](#): > > > > I say folks should take the whole lot of kids and do a massive conversion. Turn them into bonafied Jews. Then, let them return when they reach the age of majority (that is, if they want to return to a country that rejected them). Then they will marry other Jews, and their kids can join the other non-practicing, secular Jews that represent the majority of the country. > > I’ve been thinking about it, and you know what? I think that many, perhaps even most Israeli Jews would have no problem with this proposal. I’d certainly be for it. But what would these kids think? What are their rights? Why the hell would they be willing either to be convinced to convert to a religion that showed them such intolerance OR to move back to a country, and among a people, that gave them such shit? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/65 "2010-09-15T13:45:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > Are you going to renounce your American citizenship as well ? > > Why would he? America doesn’t do this. If you are born in the US, you are a US citizen, period. That’s guaranteed by the Consitution. We don’t deport native born children if we don’t like their race. Heh, hilarious. You do realize that America has a slight issue with illegal immigration, based on exactly the same sorts of issues as Israel, with exactly the same types lining up pro and con … and to an outside observer, the difference between “kicking out the parents of minor children” and “kicking out the parents and minor children, too” is trivial, and harping on it is hairsplitting. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/66 "2010-09-15T14:01:25Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Yeah, yeah, everything is fair in love and war. I’ve heard it _ad naseum_. But I still don’t see the fundamental difference between race-based citizenship and ethnic or religious-based citizenship. Especially if we are talking about everyone catering to the whims of a numerical minority. Israel doesn’t have “race based citizenship”. You can be of any ethnicity, religion or race, and be a citizen. So let’s scotch that nonsense before it becomes a meme. What Israel has, is a so-called “right of return” - that is, an automatic right, if you are Jewish, to be accepted as a citizen, whereas non-Jews must go through the usual process of immigration. The reason it has this was in response to historical factors - namely, so that if there was again a persecution of Jews, there would not be a repeat of the WW2 scenario, where there was no country willing to take them in. And lest it be said that this provision has outlived its usefullness - a group that has taken advantage of this since is the Ethiopian Jews , who faced extinction as a result of the war in Ethiopia - in 1991. Of course, they are Black, which lead to some problems with local racists; to their credit, the Israelis have made strenuous efforts to integrate them into Israeli society. I suppose it may be said to be discriminatory to offer one group sanctuary and not another (why not all the non-Jewish ethiopians, too?), but the alternative to offering sanctuary to a selected group is generally to offer no sanctuary to anyone … > [@](#): > > I don’t like that the US is considering doing a similar thing. Just becaue we’re doing it doesn’t make it right. In fact, given our foreign policy, I’d say countries would be wise to do the OPPOSITE of what we’re doing. The issue, as I see it, is not whether the current plan to crack down on illegals is right or wrong, but whether Israel is somehow uniquely horrible (and thus “Jews” responsible) because some Israeli politicians are advocating it … thus leading to the wailing and gnashing of teeth as per the “I’m not a Jewwww!!!111oneone” in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/67 "2010-09-15T14:03:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because the major issues there all stem from the \*exact same \*causes. Idiots on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/68 "2010-09-15T14:47:27Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Sorry, **Cartooniverse** ) Why apologize to him? It was a retarded thread to start with. > [@Malthus](#): > > You do realize that America has a slight issue with illegal immigration, based on exactly the same sorts of issues as Israel, with exactly the same types lining up pro and con … and to an outside observer, the difference between “kicking out the parents of minor children” and “kicking out the parents and minor children, too” is trivial, and harping on it is hairsplitting. Don’t bother. I already tried, \*\*with \*\*cites. Arguing with **Dio** ’s \*Weltanschauung \*is like screaming at a rock. Except you might actually knock a few molecules off the rock. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/69 "2010-09-15T17:06:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > > > Because the major issues there all stem from the \*exact same \*causes. > > Idiots on the internet? Bigots too. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/70 "2010-09-15T17:17:57Z")
Bigots and idiots and trolls, oh my! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/71 "2010-09-15T18:41:48Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > The whole anchor baby scenario is bullshit. You’re absolutely right. Which is why we need a Constitutional Amendment defining citizenship as not just being physically born here, but adding the requirement that at least one of the parents has to be a U. S. citizen by birth or naturalization. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/72 "2010-09-15T18:42:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Here’s my question: why does every thread that happens to mention the word “Israel” eventually devolve into the \*exact same \*Israel thread? Because Jews control the media. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/73 "2010-09-15T19:00:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Which is why we need a Constitutional Amendment defining citizenship as not just being physically born here, but adding the requirement that at least one of the parents has to be a U. S. citizen by birth or naturalization. Yeah, because we’ve had such a terrible rash of people coming to the U.S. and having children here so they can stay. Oh wait, _you’re a retard and it doesn’t work that way at all,_ because the parents get deported anyway. Funny how you’re so quick to amend the Constitution to institutionalize your bigotry–I wonder what kinds of proposed changes or interpretations you’ve objected to in the past. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/74 "2010-09-15T23:58:53Z")
Don’t be too hard on him. The end of the year is approaching, and I understand that **aigonz** looks to be making a late bid for “Stupidest Doper.” So he’s cherry-picking. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/75 "2010-09-16T00:57:34Z")
If there is any justice, a bunch of French are denouncing their citizenship for the deportation of about 1000 Roma. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/76 "2010-09-16T01:40:32Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > If there is any justice, a bunch of French are denouncing their citizenship for the deportation of about 1000 Roma. There isn’t. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/77 "2010-09-16T02:13:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > … It is gratifying to see that Israel also contains those who remember and have learned where inhumanity in the name of racial purity can lead, and are willing to act against it. That speaks well of them. There are people there who are fighting it. That is a good thing. Don’t abandon or condemn them, support them and send a heartfelt FUCK YOURSELF to the other guys. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/78 "2010-09-16T02:29:04Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > … It is gratifying to see that Israel also contains those who remember and have learned where inhumanity in the name of racial purity can lead, and are willing to act against it. > > That speaks well of them. There are people there who are fighting it. That is a good thing. Don’t abandon or condemn them, support them and send a heartfelt FUCK YOURSELF to the other guys. The Right of Return isn’t to preserve “racial purity” it is to save Jews from folks who want to kill them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/79 "2010-09-16T02:41:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > > [@SteveG1](#): > > > > That speaks well of them. There are people there who are fighting it. That is a good thing. Don’t abandon or condemn them, support them and send a heartfelt FUCK YOURSELF to the other guys. > > The Right of Return isn’t to preserve “racial purity” it is to save Jews from folks who want to kill them. I don’t see where allowing these children to stay would cause any Jews to be murdered. Or is this some sort of attempt at derailing? I was talking about planned deportation, not any sort of “return to serenity” nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727/80 "2010-09-16T02:53:37Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I don’t see where allowing these children to stay would cause any Jews to be murdered. Or is this some sort of attempt at derailing? I was talking about planned deportation, not any sort of “return to serenity” nonsense. Perhaps I did not explain well. They are not deporting people to preserve racial purity. They are deporting people who are in Israel illegally, who have over stayed their work visas. It may not be morally right, but it is not done out of a desire for “racial purity”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-no-longer-a-jew/553727.md?page=5)