# I'm not a fan of her music, but what do you think of Taylor Swift? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803 "2012-06-21T00:26:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/21 "2012-06-21T06:32:19Z")
I’d bone her, _nooooooooo problemo!_🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/22 "2012-06-21T07:10:34Z")
My embarrassing confession. I had watched her video for “You Belong With Me” a few times (no, that isn’t the embarrassing part) but I didn’t realize Swift was playing both girls in the video until somebody else pointed it out to me. I felt like I should be apologizing to Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/23 "2012-06-21T07:32:59Z")
I like her music… but damn, I hate myself for liking her music. It’s always, always about some bad breakup, how wimpy I am, saaaaaaave meeeeeeeee GAH. If I listen to the words too hard I get angry, but the music is just so darn catchy… ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/24 "2012-06-21T07:39:20Z")
Autotune software can make anyone sound good on a record. Anyone. If she can’t hack it live, she can’t hack it. I have no opinion, having never paid much attention to her. But I tend to avoid pop (except for Lady Gaga) and country (except for Dwight Yoakam), so that’s no surprise. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/25 "2012-06-21T09:29:36Z")
I haven’t seen the interview. I like her songs, I like the persona she projects, and I too would love a shagtastic eternity with Miss Swift. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/26 "2012-06-21T13:39:40Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Wow, I have to disagree with your second sentence. When the closing credits came up after hunger games I was thinking, “damn who is that singer, that is crystal!” Then I saw it was Taylor Swift, collaborating with T-Bone Burnett. I thought it was Neko Case! Her music is just teenybopper shit right now, but hopefully after she’s made dumptrucks full of money, she’ll turn back to more rootsy alt-country stuff. T-Bone can work wonders with weak vocals. Watch that live performance with Stevie Nicks at some awards show. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/27 "2012-06-21T14:06:50Z")
This is only vaguely related to the OP, but a while back we were at a restaurant, eating outside. I notice a group of young girls in short skirts and cowboy boots. Interesting fashion choice, I thought. Then I saw another group, and another, then some mother/daughter combos. Finally I ask the waiter what the f’ is going on, some sort of cowboy-porn convention?. “Taylor Swift is in concert tonight” he tells us. I then see a large, bald, black guy dressed in robes and holding a staff. “What’s he dressed for?” I ask the waiter. “Oh him, he’s just crazy.” Anyway, we officially dubbed the dressed up fans Swiftards (sorry, I always found it silly to dress like the band). ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/28 "2012-06-21T14:32:31Z")
She’s awfully cute, but I don’t like her music. Outside of that, I think the only think I know about her is that she was getting the MTV Award / Grammy / whatever when Kanye West did his asshole shtick. Joe ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/29 "2012-06-21T14:37:51Z")
Don’t really care much about her one way or the other. That said, my wife likes her, so I did hear a while back about how her song “Mean” came about: apparently she wrote it in response to a critic who said she couldn’t sing. And then a few months later I saw her perform at the Grammy awards, and she did that song, and changed one line to, “Someday I’ll be singin’ this at the Grammys, and all you’re ever gonna be is mean”. That got a “good for you, girl” from me. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/30 "2012-06-21T14:49:55Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > This is only vaguely related to the OP, but a while back we were at a restaurant, eating outside. I notice a group of young girls in short skirts and cowboy boots. Interesting fashion choice, I thought. Then I saw another group, and another, then some mother/daughter combos. Finally I ask the waiter what the f’ is going on, some sort of cowboy-porn convention?. “Taylor Swift is in concert tonight” he tells us. I then see a large, bald, black guy dressed in robes and holding a staff. “What’s he dressed for?” I ask the waiter. “Oh him, he’s just crazy.”.. Feeling blue today. You just made me laugh, though. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/31 "2012-06-21T15:00:38Z")
Been a fan ever since she took [Butch Walker’s version](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOQAjsi0YQA) of _You Belong With Me_ and did it live (with Butch on mandolin!) at the Grammys. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/32 "2012-06-21T15:10:14Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Don’t really care much about her one way or the other. That said, my wife likes her, so I did hear a while back about how her song “Mean” came about: apparently she wrote it in response to a critic who said she couldn’t sing. And then a few months later I saw her perform at the Grammy awards, and she did that song, and changed one line to, “Someday I’ll be singin’ this at the Grammys, and all you’re ever gonna be is mean”. That got a “good for you, girl” from me. I got a little annoyed by that. She seems to me to have the tendency to act like she’s this underdog that everyone looks down on, when she’s a hugely successful, crazy rich musician with a giant trophy case of awards. As to her music, it’s okay. I don’t understand how it’s country though, since at least from what I’ve heard on the radio it sounds like regular pop music. But maybe it’s just that country music has changed. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/33 "2012-06-21T15:15:51Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > Autotune software can make anyone sound good on a record. Anyone. No it can’t. That’s a total myth. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/34 "2012-06-21T15:17:18Z")
Pretty. Cool. Talented. Great hair. I’d hit it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/35 "2012-06-21T15:22:25Z")
All I know is what my sister told me about her, and she says that all her songs since the Kanye thing sound like she’s whining, either about the incident or something else. Given that, I’m surprised so many Dopers like her. Then again, this was at least a year ago, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/36 "2012-06-21T15:24:20Z")
She’s obviously serious about being a songwriter even though I haven’t been impressed by her songwriting. Even thought most self-marketing stuff is fair game, I can’t shake the feeling that she is very cynical in encouraging her fans to identify with her personal life. Manipulating people’s emotions is part of being an artist, but I just get the sense it’s a bigger part of her work and her public persona than it is for most artists - exaggerating her emotional entaglements and vulnerabilities in marketing herself to early teens, lashing out when anybody critiques her, that kind of thing. I admit that this may be mixed in with my annoyance at her bowdlerized version of Romeo and Juliet. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/37 "2012-06-21T16:45:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > She’s obviously serious about being a songwriter even though I haven’t been impressed by her songwriting. Even thought most self-marketing stuff is fair game, I can’t shake the feeling that she is very cynical in encouraging her fans to identify with her personal life. Manipulating people’s emotions is part of being an artist, but I just get the sense it’s a bigger part of her work and her public persona than it is for most artists - exaggerating her emotional entaglements and vulnerabilities in marketing herself to early teens, lashing out when anybody critiques her, that kind of thing. I admit that this may be mixed in with my annoyance at her bowdlerized version of Romeo and Juliet. Getting her fans to identify with her ups and downs is what I referred to as managing her brand really really well. No different than 50 Cent performing with a bullet proof vest on at the height of his popularity. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/38 "2012-06-21T17:05:31Z")
I never got past the line ‘he’s the reason for the teardrops on my guitar.’ ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/39 "2012-06-21T17:54:27Z")
My teen daughter likes her, and I appreciate that Swift is a very good role model - writes music, plays guitar, keeps her clothes on, down-to-earth, etc. I enjoy her earlier songs well enough, and the messages in them are fairly empowering while acknowledging emotional pain. I personally cannot stand to hear that song about Kanye West one more time - never realized how poorly she sings until that song, and my kid must have listened to it about a thousand times - my poor ears. She had a role on an episode of Law & Order where she played a punked-out teen, and did well in that role. I don’t think she’s particularly disingenuous. She seems to truly appreciate her fans and to be grateful for her life so far. Compared to where Britney Spears was at TS’s age, Taylor could have done a lot worse for herself. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/40 "2012-06-21T18:12:51Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > [I](http://videokeman.com/image/pics/TaylorSwiftsongPics1A3amTF4XG7RM.jpg) [couldn’t](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Tg1xboECE5Q/TtoY8EBWooI/AAAAAAAACss/en59MjRo_6o/s1600/Taylor-Swift-Pictures-6.jpg) [care](http://www.songslover.pk/english/t/taylor-swift/images/Taylor-Swift-b03.jpg)[less](http://videokeman.com/image/pics/TaylorSwiftsongPics177XSKhAhpjWJM.jpg) [about](http://hotfemale.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/taylorswifthot.jpg) [her](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0_cxbUrCXao/TeDjqRyw7gI/AAAAAAAAARY/5HqJcWNWqCc/s400/taylor_swift03.jpg) [music](http://www.glogster.com/media/3/7/29/12/7291277.jpg) [and](http://mutekey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/sexy-taylor-swift.jpg) [even](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dIQElWMciZU/T0zaLz5KkdI/AAAAAAAAAVs/1NvOw5ihP7U/s1600/taylor-swift-hot-7.jpg) [less](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1XOg-gMnj4Q/TW5SDFPRMtI/AAAAAAAABaE/t3krgNRZyKM/s1600/Taylor%2BSwift%2BSexy%2BPhotos.jpg) [about](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/24100000/taylor-swift-taylor-swift-24123311-500-664.jpg) [her](http://www.theimproper.com/music/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/taylor-swift.jpg) [personality](http://cdn2.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_header/photos/taylor-swift-songwriters-aw-2010.jpg), [but](http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Sexy_image_of_Taylor_Swif_49c118463b045.jpg)[I’d](http://collegepals.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/taylor_swift_live-14076.jpg) [have](http://taylorswiftsnaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/taylorswift_10.jpg) [a](http://www.freewallpapershq.com/wallpapers/Taylor_Swift_Sexy_beauty_13971.jpg) [lot](http://ravepad.com/img/photos/images/10/1_775b523242_tayswiftwallpapering%5B1%5D.jpg) [of](http://bikinimela.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/taylor-swift-sexy-face.jpg) [sex](http://taylorswift.jp.pn/4.jpg) [with](http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/157926.jpg) [her](http://www.cmt.com/sitewide/assets/img/events/2008/cma_awards/arrivals/ed_rode/cma_awards_red_carpet_082-x600.jpg) [if](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uRxVMUUfWNs/TtN4JR83W2I/AAAAAAAAEN0/BzfuhJOyr18/s640/09_www.photonice.net_TaylorSwift.jpg) [given](http://cutetaylorswift.com/userfiles/2010/7/20/images/Taylor%20Swift%20Sexy%20New%20Man%20In%20Her%20Life%281%29.jpg) [the](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lVAOhJ1v-7g/TW5SnWjAo2I/AAAAAAAABak/RajqDqnmd4k/s400/Taylor%2BSwift%2BSexy%2BPosters.jpg) [chance](http://www.fhm.com/images/media/fckimgs/image/Taylor_Swift_sexy_scowl.jpg) [and](http://www.dailymakeover.com/appImages/galleryImages/women_celebrity_hairstyles/Taylor_Swift+Nov_21_2010.jpg) [I](http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2009/lotd/050909_swift_200x400.jpg) [were](http://data.whicdn.com/images/24029366/beautiful-girl-love-princess-taylor-swift-Favim.com-315732_large.jpg) [single](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZZyAY1JeToU/S8gqsLX6m7I/AAAAAAAAAI0/uc0jZeYP5i4/s1600/taylor+tai.jpg)[.](http://www3.pictures.stylebistro.com/bg/Taylor+Swift+Dresses+Skirts+Mini+Skirt+IUZQz8aJKm3l.jpg) AdAware doesn’t seem to like Taylor Swift as it threw up a warning for the link under the word ‘have’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803.md?page=3)