# I'm not a fan of her music, but what do you think of Taylor Swift? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803 "2012-06-21T00:26:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/41 "2012-06-21T18:17:24Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Getting her fans to identify with her ups and downs is what I referred to as managing her brand really really well. No different than 50 Cent performing with a bullet proof vest on at the height of his popularity. Right. There are similarities, and marketing yourself is part of the deal for anybody. Like I said, though, from an outsider’s perspective there is a point where this stuff comes across as very, very manipulative. That’s really the case with every musician marketing themselves primarily to tweens and teenagers. I just know more about Swift (by way of her recent New Yorker profile, which was an interesting read) and the lengths she goes to in dropping hints and clues to her fans that she’s going through real-life situations that are (supposedly) just like theirs. Musicians who market themselves to older fans don’t have to go quite as far in pulling off the whole ridiculous ‘this singer could be you/could fall in love with you’ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Glottis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Glottis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glottis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/42 "2012-06-21T19:11:34Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > She’s an awesome woman. Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/43 "2012-06-21T21:39:40Z")
> [@Glottis](#): > > Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. To paraphrase Phil Hartman doing Frank Sinatra and dissing Billy Idol: Neko Case has chunks of kids like Taylor Swift in her stool! ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/44 "2012-06-21T23:09:33Z")
I was thinking about this today at work and remembered that there was some kerfluffle about her concerts being very heavy on marketing products to her young fans. I think it was beyond the tee shirts and CDs typical of any concert. I’m thinking it was an article about a mother taking her daughter to a TS show and being shocked at the product marketing. Anyone remember what that was about? ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/45 "2012-06-22T00:01:17Z")
I remember reading about Swift back when she was only famous enough to get a one-page profile sort of toward the back of _People_. What I remember most was the description of a fan who got a tattoo of her name. I hoped for the fan’s sake that Swift wound up at least somewhat famous; who wants to go around in life adorned with the name of some one-hit wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/46 "2012-06-22T00:14:16Z")
> [@Glottis](#): > > Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. Put down the sword, crazy lady… ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/47 "2012-06-22T00:29:40Z")
That poor girl needs to eat a biscuit or two. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/48 "2012-06-22T13:54:11Z")
> [@Glottis](#): > > Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. That is not an awesome woman. That is a nerd playing a game of Dress Up. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/49 "2012-06-22T14:32:55Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > That is not an awesome woman. That is a nerd playing a game of Dress Up. And getting her damn footprints all over the hood of a nice car! ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/50 "2012-06-22T16:21:18Z")
What always fascinated me about her (and Bieber too) is how she broke through to mega-stardom at a young age. I mean, every small town in America has a half dozen junior high school girls who can strum a guitar and and croon weakly and write drippy pop songs. But they are usually confined to their bedrooms and local talent shows. How did she get picked for stardom at a young age? Someone found her and worked with her and funded her and promoted her. But why her and not any of the thousands of others 12 year old girls? Clearly the industry sees a higher level of talent - hence all the awards (really?). I readily admit, I’m not a musician so I’m no the right one to judge, but I just don’t see it. It’s like someone made a sandwich of wonder bread and mayo and was named top chef! ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/51 "2012-06-22T16:40:39Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Anyone remember what that was about? Not specifically, but I will say that my first exposure to TS was seeing her pictures and clothing line plastered all over Kohl’s. This was at least a year before I was aware that she was also a singer. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/52 "2012-06-22T17:29:12Z")
Did anyone upthread mention that she’s extremely bonable? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/53 "2012-06-22T17:52:46Z")
She’s pretty hot ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/54 "2012-06-22T17:56:40Z")
> [@Glottis](#): > > Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. Nice car. Don’t care much for the looks of the woman, whoever she is. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/55 "2012-06-22T18:32:13Z")
> [@Glottis](#): > > Not in the sense that she inspires awe. [This](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39334389/Neko+Case.png) is what an awesome woman looks like. That’s an _awesome_ hill. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/56 "2012-06-22T18:35:48Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > She isn’t very good live. > [@WordMan](#): > > T-Bone can work wonders with weak vocals. Watch that live performance with Stevie Nicks at some awards show. Dang. Fooled by technology again. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/57 "2012-06-22T19:47:11Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Nice car. Don’t care much for the looks of the woman, whoever she is. **Shibb** that’s Neko Case. Amazing singer worth checking out. I can’t view Taylor Swift sexually - all I can envision is having to clear the stuffed animals off her bed. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/58 "2012-06-22T20:17:17Z")
One thing I noticed about her. She can actually play her guitar. Her fretting hand gets quite the workout. Seems trivial, but Spears can’t do it. Neither can Aguilera. So she’s not just a hot chick who can kinda sorta carry a tune. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/59 "2012-06-22T20:19:59Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > **Shibb** that’s Neko Case. Amazing singer worth checking out. > > I can’t view Taylor Swift sexually - all I can envision is having to clear the stuffed animals off her bed. But she’s quite tall, with long arms and legs. [So, the Beanie Babies will be staying on the floor for a while. A long while.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jPLXF-lWOQ) ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803/60 "2012-06-22T20:25:26Z")
She can play enough to write songs. She’s no Bonnie Raitt ;); or even GaGa who is a solid pianist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-fan-of-her-music-but-what-do-you-think-of-taylor-swift/625803.md?page=4)