# "I'm not a racist! I voted for Herman Cain!" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999 "2011-10-27T20:01:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/21 "2011-10-27T21:55:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Spot on. A much more intelligent OP than what the biggest asshole of the SDMB put in GD. I did what now? ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/22 "2011-10-27T22:14:39Z")
OP is a shitstain. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/23 "2011-10-27T22:15:46Z")
The logical conclusion I wanted you all to draw was obviously: If you do not vote for Herman Cain, it is because you are a terrible racist. If you do vote for Herman Cain, it is because you are a terrible racist. Sadly, only a few of you have caught on so far :p;) ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/24 "2011-10-27T22:17:21Z")
> [@G-SE](#): > > OP is a shitstain. Yeah, but ya know, a little Fabreze and you’d never know it was there. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/25 "2011-10-27T22:30:27Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Yeah, but ya know, a little Fabreze and you’d never know it was there. If you guys are so offended by my post, why don’t you point it out to me why I’m wrong/stupid/shitstainish/etc and maybe I can correct my misunderstanding. Or you can just keep calling me names, which won’t have any effect whatsoever. I already said that there are people who support Herman Cain who are not racists, so if you are one of those people, why are you so upset? All I am saying is that a racist person can still think positively about individual members of another race, while still maintaining overall negative views about that race. Is that opinion so worthy of your vitriol? ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/26 "2011-10-27T22:34:33Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I can see it now. The old defense against being accused a racist was once, “I’m not a racist, I have a black friend!” Soon it will be, “I’m not a racist, I voted for Herman Cain!” I don’t see it. People likely to vote for Cain generally don’t care whether you think they’re racist. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/27 "2011-10-27T22:36:03Z")
I was just having a little fun, sorry. > [@drewtwo99](#): > > All I am saying is that a racist person can still think positively about individual members of another race, while still maintaining overall negative views about that race. Is that opinion so worthy of your vitriol? If you had said THIS in your OP, I would’ve 100 percent agreed with you. The disclaimer in the P.S. is analagous to "I’m not saying ALL black people [insert racist stereotype], but [insert racist stereotype]. If you are black and don’t [insert racist stereotype] then I don’t mean you. " It’s still pretty frigging racist. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/28 "2011-10-27T22:49:03Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > I was just having a little fun, sorry. > > If you had said THIS in your OP, I would’ve 100 percent agreed with you. > The disclaimer in the P.S. is analagous to "I’m not saying ALL black people [insert racist stereotype], but [insert racist stereotype]. If you are black and don’t [insert racist stereotype] then I don’t mean you. " It’s still pretty frigging racist. I don’t understand how you have arrived at that meaning from my final statement. The point of the P.S. was so that people wouldn’t come on here and try to say that I was of the position that the only reason someone would vote for Cain would be as a cover for their racist sentiments. I personally don’t hate Cain at all, and of the republican candidates he’s certainly one of the better ones. I accept that there are some legitimate reasons for supporting him. I didn’t want people thinking that the point of this thread was to bash all Cain supporters, so I put the disclaimer at the end. How is this like me saying, “Most black people are thieves. If you are a black person and are not a thief, then I’m not talking to you.” I’m not even making the claim that MOST Cain supporters are racists who are looking for cover, who think of him as “one of the good ones.” Just that there are some, and it pisses me off. And then it pisses me off more that people try to claim that we are a post-racism society because Cain is now popular in the GOP, etc. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/29 "2011-10-27T23:00:46Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I don’t understand how you have arrived at that meaning from my final statement. The point of the P.S. was so that people wouldn’t come on here and try to say that I was of the position that the only reason someone would vote for Cain would be as a cover for their racist sentiments. My point, I guess, is that I can’t imagine this post existing when President Obama was running. Matter of fact, I’m pretty sure it didn’t. This, to me, was very much pointed at conservatives and Republicans, using your father (Oy, daddy problems, could I tell you about my father issues.) as an example. The implication being that ONLY Republicans and conservatives would use the vote for an African-American man to hide racist beliefs. Racism exists in all walks of life and political bents. The interpretation of the P.S., to me, was exactly as I posted, covering your ass for painting with a broad brush. May not have been your intention, but that’s what I got out of it. Throw in punctuation and paragraphs breaks, as needed. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/30 "2011-10-27T23:07:21Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Not all racists have white couches. Only Italian racists have white couches. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/31 "2011-10-27T23:13:54Z")
The point is that if you are a racist, finding one black person you like doesn’t stop you being a racist. Racism is about how you feel about black people in general not how you feel about one black individual. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/32 "2011-10-27T23:14:59Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > My point, I guess, is that I can’t imagine this post existing when President Obama was running. Matter of fact, I’m pretty sure it didn’t. This, to me, was very much pointed at conservatives and Republicans, using your father (Oy, daddy problems, could I tell you about my father issues.) as an example. The implication being that ONLY Republicans and conservatives would use the vote for an African-American man to hide racist beliefs. Racism exists in all walks of life and political bents. The interpretation of the P.S., to me, was exactly as I posted, covering your ass for painting with a broad brush. May not have been your intention, but that’s what I got out of it. > > Throw in punctuation and paragraphs breaks, as needed. Haha, no I totally understand where you are coming from. I think there were PLENTY of people who voted for Obama and are also racist. I have heard a lot of people claim that we are not racist in America because we now have a black president. It applied then and it applies now too with Cain. Sorry if my post seemed extremely anti-conservative or anti-republican. That wasn’t my intention at all. In fact, I’m a pretty moderate guy, having voted for both Repubs and Dems in the past (though only dems for president so far), Cain actually intrigues me. I think his 9-9-9 plan is terrible for most people as it stands, but if he can rework it, a national sales tax has always been something I’ve supported in favor of a lower income tax. And, not to get too off topic, as upset I am with my dad for his racist and sexist opinions, we actually have a pretty decent relationship - for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/33 "2011-10-27T23:15:47Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Only Italian racists have white couches. Yes, but they’re wrapped in plastic. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/34 "2011-10-27T23:16:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The point is that if you are a racist, finding one black person you like doesn’t stop you being a racist. Racism is about how you feel about black people in general not how you feel about one black individual. Careful Nemo… opinions like that will get you called a shitstain around here! ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/35 "2011-10-27T23:21:57Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Yeah, but “Go back inside your white picket fence, with your white spouse and your white children and just sit on your white, or possibly plaid, couch until you die” doesn’t have the same ring. > > Seriously now, I think we can all agree that supporting Herman Cain doesn’t absolve you of racism. Except Bricker. True, but Bricker also insists it’s wrong to classify an Anti-Obama sign that reads “HUSSEIN, GO BACK TO KENYA!” as racist. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/36 "2011-10-27T23:28:28Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > True, but Bricker also insists it’s wrong to classify an Anti-Obama sign that reads “HUSSEIN, GO BACK TO KENYA!” as racist. :smack: Bricker, please come in here and say it ain’t so. I like you! I don’t want to believe that this is true! Would you really claim that such a sign is not racist?? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/37 "2011-10-28T02:36:50Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I can see it now. The old defense against being accused a racist was once, “I’m not a racist, I have a black friend!” Soon it will be, “I’m not a racist, I voted for Herman Cain!” > > Here’s a newsflash for you, you ignorant and racist fuckers. YOU ARE STILL A WHITE-LOVING, MOTHER-FUCKING, SORRY EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING AND AN UNABASHED RACIST. > > Take for example my father. He constantly makes racist comments. “She’s hot… for a black woman,” or, “I’ll be the first to say it, he’s not a bad spic.” He owns a small business and employs people of every race, too! ZOMG! This means he’s not a racist!!!\*\* No\*\*, no it does not. > > Every once in a while, some member of a minority comes around and impresses my racist fucktard of a dad and he decides that they are somehow worthy of some back-handed praise. He doesn’t even realize how awful it is when he says something like, “he’s not bad for a sand nigger!” He is truly laying on the praise, in his mind. > > Enter Herman Cain. Here is a very conservative black man running for president, who actually stands a chance at getting some racist support? Why? Because in their minds, Cain is “one of the good ones.” And as an extra bonus, it provides some bullshit defense whenever they are accused of racism. Guess what? It’s still possible to be bigoted and have negative overall views of a particular race and still vote for Cain. But to them, they think, “Hey if I support Herman Cain, that proves I’m not a racist!” > > Go back inside your white picket fence, with your white spouse and your white children and just sit on your white couch until you die. > > P.S. - There are many reasons to like and dislike Cain and I am not saying that everyone who supports him is a racist looking for cover. You can support Cain for many reasons and not be a racist, and therefore, I am not addressing you. Just how old are you **drewtwo99**? Your anti-racist ranting seems a little over the top. I suspect your dad is just yanking your chain ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/38 "2011-10-28T02:46:02Z")
I hate plaid couches. They have been pushed upon the American people by the liberal media-upholstery complex and its quest for “diversity”. All those colors mixing together… even _entiwining_. It’s miscegenation! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/39 "2011-10-28T05:13:20Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Not all racists have white couches. Not all racists are white. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999/40 "2011-10-28T11:58:05Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Not all racists are white. It’s true. Some are plaid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-a-racist-i-voted-for-herman-cain/600999.md?page=3)