# I'm not saying it's aliens, but ... it's aliens **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 8, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168 "2023-06-08T00:33:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/61 "2023-07-27T19:32:40Z")
I’ll admit that the football field sized red square is a bit of a puzzler. Regarding the supposed crash retrievals, why do they always crash in areas remote enough that they can be retrieved with little or no public awareness? Why never the middle of Manhattan or London? ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/62 "2023-07-27T19:36:34Z")
Statistics dictate that most UFOs would crash in the ocean, since most of the Earth is water. That suggests they are even worse pilots than I imagined. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/63 "2023-07-27T19:43:00Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Regarding the supposed crash retrievals, why do they always crash in areas remote enough that they can be retrieved with little or no public awareness? Why never the middle of Manhattan or London? Statistically, they should fall in the ocean and in the countryside. That’s the most believable part. ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/64 "2023-07-27T19:49:33Z")
The only thing that is plausible in this, is that the military or spook agencies decided 75 years ago that Congress nor Presidents weren’t to be trusted, and they cut them out of the loop completely and have continued to do so since that time. I suppose I could believe that, sort of. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/65 "2023-07-27T20:11:42Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Regarding the supposed crash retrievals, why do they always crash in areas remote enough that they can be retrieved with little or no public awareness? Why never the middle of Manhattan or London? The last time one tried landing in Washington DC he was shot the moment he stepped out of the flying saucer. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/K6iF5sINVns/maxresdefault.jpg "The Day the Earth Stood Still (2/5) Movie CLIP - Gort Appears (1951) HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6iF5sINVns) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/66 "2023-07-27T21:04:29Z")
> [@ready29003](#): > > Yall ready to talk about David Grusch yet? > … > Who is lying. Who is telling the truth. Grusch is lying or is repeating lies. Nobody is trying to stop anybody from asking any questions about this. If you have more questions we would be glad to answer them for you. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/67 "2023-07-27T21:30:52Z")
Here’s another guy who thought we had some secret advanced technology. Contains a little NSFW language. > **Summary** > > [Secret Face/Off machine](https://youtu.be/tUbOQguNm78?t=49) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/68 "2023-07-27T23:26:24Z")
> [@eburacum45](#): > > **David Grusch** seems to have no first-hand experience of UAPs or alien bodies at all; he has found out everything he knows from the testimony of around 40 other individuals, and says the details are all classified. What should happen now is that each of those 40 individuals should be interviewed, presumably in private. and their testimony should be obtained. If the detail are classified then there should be in investigation leading to him being charged with sharing classified info with the world. Or there should be an investigation into the 40 people to see if they should be charged with sharing classified info with him. In the far more likely case this is all bunk and rumor, at least we’ll have learned that much. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/69 "2023-07-28T00:39:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > - Are “they” out there in the Universe? Certainly. > - Are “they” life, intelligent life, spacefaring intelligent life? Certainly, probably, maa-aaybe. > - Are “they” visiting Earth now? Fugeddaboudit. ^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly this. I don’t need to go digging into these sorts of rumours to debunk them, because we only need to ask the question, if aliens are or were here, where did they come from? And why did they pick Earth? They certainly didn’t come from this solar system – we’re well past the point of believing we might be attacked by Martians. So they came from another star, and herewith the problem with that: The diameter of the Milky Way is nearly 106,000 light-years. It contains at least 100 billion stars. Most of these stars have planets but proportionately very few are suitable for life, and fewer still would have developed intelligent life. It’s vanishingly improbable that our hypothetical aliens came from any of our immediately neighbouring exoplanets, respectively 4.2, 11, 22, and 40 light-years away. Statistically, the nearest intelligent aliens are likely thousands of light-years away, with hundreds of millions of other habitable planets between themselves and Earth for them to invade. And even if they came from Proxima Centauri b, which they didn’t because it’s too cold for carbon-based life, they would have had to travel over 24 trillion miles to get here. We then have to believe the following. That they made this voyage In something more or less the size of a space-faring Cessna, except shaped like a saucer. A craft that, after surviving an unimaginable journey through interstellar space using incredibly advanced technology, then promptly crashed when it got to Earth. Possibly because the aliens, popping the champagne in celebration of their arrival and imminent domination of Earth, got drunk at the controls and drove it into the ground near Roswell, NM. This prompted the US military to sweep up the remains of the saucer and the aliens and stash it all in Area 51 for analysis, which has been going on for 76 years with (a) apparently no useful results that enabled the US to create any technology that wasn’t the result of conventional engineering by overpriced military contractors, and (b) no one including any US president ever finding out about it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/70 "2023-07-28T01:21:59Z")
To be fair, the “space-faring Cessna” could have come from a much larger mother ship (not that I believe any of this). ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/71 "2023-07-28T01:38:17Z")
That’s true, and we would never have seen the much larger mother ship because the aliens would have turned on the Cloak of Invisibility™! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/72 "2023-07-28T01:51:03Z")
Thr mother ship is hidden in a large crater on the far side of the moon, and it’s been there since before we could’ve detected it arriving. It’s just to the left of the Nazi crater and below the Illuminati. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/73 "2023-07-28T01:58:00Z")
It all has to do with Astronaut “Barbie” I’m telling you. Watch out, the pink is here!! 😬 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/74 "2023-07-28T02:08:19Z")
> [@ready29003](#): > > Who is honestly searching for wisdom and knowledge and who is trying to shame you into not asking certain questions. Antartica and Lacerta truly want to know what you think. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that this involves an Ice Wall and a less than spherical Earth??? ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/75 "2023-07-28T03:48:21Z")
I have never understood why being “sincere” about one’s views is considered to of evidentiary value. This simply doesn’t make any sense to me. Yet, large portions of the population seem to think it is the case. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/76 "2023-07-28T05:57:41Z")
Sincerity has no evidentiary value, but it can demarcate a boundary between lying and simply being wrong–a potentially invaluable boundary, when one is testifying under oath. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/77 "2023-07-28T07:29:22Z")
I’m embarrassed this is even getting time. Until they can actually show wreckage or alien body parts this is all a bunch of hooey. You’d think with tens of thousands of people knowing about this for decades, one of them could have smuggled out a picture or a thumb drive full of actual evidence. Instead we have a bunch of friend of a friend stories . What a freaking waste of resources. It’s not like we don’t have actual problems to work on. ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/78 "2023-07-28T11:04:41Z")
Yes, but I’m thinking about those people who truly do believe. They so quickly switch from “here’s why I think something” to “I’ve spent ten years and $300K trying to let people know about this…why does everyone still doubt me?” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/79 "2023-07-28T11:53:17Z")
Senators have proposed an amendment to require the government to make UFO records public. The amendment would also give the federal government eminent domain over any recovered technologies of unknown origin or biological evidence of nonhuman intelligence now held by private individuals or organizations. > **[Senators to offer amendment to require government to make UFO records public](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4097653-senators-to-offer-amendment-to-require-government-to-make-ufo-records-public/)** > > Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) is part of a bipartisan group of senators who have offered an amendment to the annual Defense authorization bill requiring the federal government to co… ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens/985168/80 "2023-07-28T12:34:36Z")
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