# I'm not thinking what you are thinking! OK? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 26, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206 "2005-04-26T18:19:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/21 "2005-04-27T12:51:34Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > I believe that’s where it comes from - I think “whig” also means some sort of bandit. Whig is short for “whiggamore”, a term used to derride the Scots Covenenters, i.e. the Scots who believed that a monarch’s power derived from the people, not from God. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/22 "2005-04-27T12:52:06Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Load of bollocks as far as most people are concerned I suspect. Yup - I should’ve linked to the Guardian article which sais as much, so you’d have to agree with them for once 😛 > [@](#): > > Don’t you worry your pretty little head aboout the “old girl” thing - it’s just that I am metamorphosising into BORIS with every day (sadly without the hair). Isn’t the hair the source of all his powers? (It certainly isn’t anywhere else) > [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > When younger I thought they were singing a Christmas carol. I didn’t realise it had other words. It has _Christmas_ words?! :eek: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/23 "2005-04-27T12:56:10Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > It has _Christmas_ words?! :eek: > 😉 It’s a Christmas Carol so yes it does have Christmas words - The tune is called _Tannenbaum_ ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/24 "2005-04-27T12:59:30Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > It’s a Christmas Carol so yes it does have Christmas words - The tune is called _Tannenbaum_ Heee heee, _whoooooosh_ :wally ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/25 "2005-04-27T13:01:28Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Heee heee, _whoooooosh_ :wally Like I said I am embracing Borisness. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/26 "2005-04-27T13:04:57Z")
No no no, Boris would’ve started to sing it, and then forget the words after one-and-a-half lines. Unless that’s what you’re doing right now ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/27 "2005-04-27T13:07:49Z")
Hmm, I’ve just been reading this and see that TWICE **Gorilla Man** has been posting exactly what I would have been posting, had I not arrived too late. btw - perhaps many of you will have seen the Channel 4 spoof ads, but for the beneifts of other non telly-watchers… [http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=67](http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=67) ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/28 "2005-04-27T13:09:20Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > No no no, Boris would’ve started to sing it, and then forget the words after one-and-a-half lines. > > Unless that’s what you’re doing right now “The working class can kiss my Arse, I’ve got the boss’s job at last…” ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/29 "2005-04-27T17:28:54Z")
I listen to Virgin Radio on line and I heard an advert the other day that made my head spin. I’m not sure who it was but he said “My mother was a victim of the Holocaust, so nobody can accuse me of being a racist.” Ummmm, how are those two mutually exclusive? ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/30 "2005-04-27T17:34:23Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > “My mother was a victim of the Holocaust, so nobody can accuse me of being a racist.” Sure he didn’t say “grandmother”? As Michael Howard’s grandmother (the Tory leader) died at Auschwitz. [Link](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4259839.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/31 "2005-04-27T17:38:38Z")
Whoops, you are right, it was grandmother. Still doesn’t mean nobody can accuse of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/32 "2005-04-27T17:48:14Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Still doesn’t mean nobody can accuse of racism. Well, quite, its the old “but some of my best friends are black/Indian/Jewish/whatever” defence. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/33 "2005-04-27T23:37:00Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > That conservative slogan is patronising to Left-leaning people. No we’re fucking _not_ thinking what you are thinking! We’re not tories! > > I’m sure right-leaning people find it patronizing too. It can’t be doing the party any good. I’m getting sick of being asked. And I’d just love it if Labour paid for a huge campain of billboards and ads with one word in big red letters across the road from all the tory ones… > > NO! If anyone lives in Salford, just near the trainstation, theres the same poster but with a difference It says ‘Fuck you you inbred nazi pigs’ The Tories have a long way to go to get back to the good old glory days. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/34 "2005-04-28T00:02:01Z")
Watched the Tory ad–utter rubbish, but I really liked the song in the background. Anyone know who it’s by? ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/35 "2005-04-28T09:18:45Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Watched the Tory ad–utter rubbish, but I really liked the song in the background. Anyone know who it’s by? Marty Webb - It’s called “take that look off your face” and it’s from a Lloyd-Webber musical. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206/36 "2005-04-29T02:38:15Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > I will keep on calling them Tories rather than Conservatives, because “Tories” pisses them right off. I think you’re right, at least in respect of the majority of people who vote Conservative in Britain. Equally, most people who vote Labour have long (pre-dating Blair and “New Labour”) been pissed off by being called Socialist. Well, apart from a few genuine(?)\* Socialists like Tony Benn and his vicar on earth Michael Meacher, interviewed in the [Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4416838,00.html). > [@Interview with Mr. Meacher](#): > > Mr Meacher has no hesitation when I ask what he thinks the high point of his career was - yes, that battle for the deputy leadership, when Benn had lost his seat so he was leading for the left. **And would he still call himself a socialist?** > > “ **Yes I would, yes, absolutely**. People’s perceptions about achieving socialism had changed; the left had become increasingly sectarian and extreme in the 80s and wasn’t going anywhere electorally but I’ve always held to those values and principles.” > > So he must have had to bite his tongue a lot, over the last few years then? He laughs - a little nervously - and points out that he has had two outings on Any Questions recently, supporting that arch-Blairite Stephen Byers. > > Mr Meacher doesn’t pretend to be fully on board for the New Labour project - never has - but manages to rub along all right. - Any doper committed to the war on ignorance must question whether Meacher is a Socialist in more than name when it was revealed in 2001 that he and his wife owned nine properties, when two years earlier he had publicly condemned second home owners for “robbing people of a home”. Mind you, he has got four children, and they may need two homes each. Except, um, that would mean all six of them are “robbing people of a home”. Hard work being a Socialist these days… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-not-thinking-what-you-are-thinking-ok/301206.md?page=1)