# I'm over #BLM **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824 "2017-10-14T15:43:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/41 "2017-10-14T22:09:22Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > You cannot “protest” anybody by denying them the right to speak (by blocking access to a venue that person has a right to be speaking at, or by entering the venue and being so disruptive that the speaker simply can’t even speak). Or, if you _do_ choose to protest in those ways, you should be arrested. That’s true IF they’ve rented the hall, or been invited to speak there by someone with the authority to do so. But if that’s not the case, and the speaker has no more right to be speaking from that podium than you or I do, then ISTM that there’s nothing other than common courtesy to stop you or me from going up on the stage with him and arguing with him as he tries to speak, or speaking just as loudly from elsewhere in the room, or whatever. Unless I’m missing something, it’s no different from if I decided to go over to the quad of my local college and start preaching the Gospel or whatever. I’m speaking at my own risk, and people are free to heckle me, yell at me, or pull out a boom box and loudly play “Lampshade’s On Fire” or something. Just because the speaker is indoors, if he doesn’t have any more right to be speaking in that room than anyone else does, ISTM that it’s no different from my preaching on the quad. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/42 "2017-10-14T22:34:39Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yep, it’s enough. Black Lives Matters, as a movement, needs to get its shit together. > > [Opinion | Texas legislator shouted down at Texas Southern University law school; speech called off by university president for lack of central campus authorization [UPDATED] - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/10/10/texas-legislator-shouted-down-at-texas-southern-university-law-school-speech-called-off-by-university-president-for-lack-of-central-campus-authorization/?utm_term=.cac2a33779d7) > > …This is why you need organizations, not just movements. Because with movements, any jackass with a megaphone can call themselves part of the movement, do stupid jackass shit, and there’s nobody who can stand up and say, “Hey, sorry, they don’t represent us or our movement, and we think they’re kind of assholes.” Then again, I can’t help but wonder if I’m being optimistic if the majority of the movement wouldn’t applaud this fuckers. > > Let’s leave aside the currently unclear details about whether or not the legislator technically had all his paperwork in order - I’d give it pretty good odds that these protesters did the same thing. In the last week, Black Lives Matters protesters have disrupted the ACLU, and now an elected state legislator. I don’t _care_ if that legislator is a homophobe, or a misogynist, or a racist. You guys think most of the republican party is homophobic, misogynistic, or racist. That’s an _elected official of your state_ - like it or not, your statesmen elected this guy, and that earns him some respect. > > Or maybe it doesn’t in your mind. Maybe, in your mind, becoming a state legislator doesn’t mean shit, and he shouldn’t be allowed to speak, invited by a campus group or not. Well okay. How 'bout this: this asshole gets to vote on _[whether your school continues to exist in its current form](https://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/07/11/the-mass-defunding-of-higher-education-thats-yet-to-come/)_. His constituents, by and large, have decided that higher education is a bad thing. They’re idiots, but they vote. _In what universe do you see this as a good idea_?! > > And yeah, it was doubly boneheaded for the administration of the college to go along with this. Stupid stupid stupid. …to be perfectly frank: I’m pretty sure that BLM are pretty much over people like you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/43 "2017-10-14T23:39:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Read the article. > > [Opinion | Texas legislator shouted down at Texas Southern University law school; speech called off by university president for lack of central campus authorization [UPDATED] - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/10/10/texas-legislator-shouted-down-at-texas-southern-university-law-school-speech-called-off-by-university-president-for-lack-of-central-campus-authorization/?utm_term=.574cc8a13f6d) > > So the university and the law school are two distinct entities. I said the law school approved it. Which it did. Unless Washington Post is “fake news.” :rolleyes: It is clear that you can read but not understand. What you have there is a biased opinion from the [del]bollocks[/del] Volokh guy. He, like you only showed what the law school thought, the University clearly said that the group did not had approval. What Volokh and the Federalists think it was is just opinion. As I noted before you are just willfully ignoring what the administration reported later. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/44 "2017-10-15T00:19:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is clear that you can read but not understand. > > What you have there is a biased opinion from the [del]bollocks[/del] Volokh guy. He, like you only showed what the law school thought, the University clearly said that the group did not had approval. What Volokh and the Federalists think it was is just opinion. > > As I noted before you are just willfully ignoring what the administration reported later. I can’t understand what I read? I clearly stated they had permission from the law school. They did have permission from the law school. You honestly think the grandstanding university president and a group of goons disrupts every speech or visitor that a department or a college that is a subset of the university hosts? C’mon now. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/45 "2017-10-15T00:48:31Z")
By the way, **BPC** , this is the SDMB, _not Twitter_. #Fuck #your #fucking #hashtags. Stop trying to pollute normal discussions with tweetese. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/46 "2017-10-15T00:54:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I can’t understand what I read? I clearly stated they had permission from the law school. They did have permission from the law school. You honestly think the grandstanding university president and a group of goons disrupts every speech or visitor that a department or a college that is a subset of the university hosts? C’mon now. What your mollusc brain fails to get is that what the administration posted the next day was after the incident, Clearly after the groups involved did not show proper permission. Until something else shows up showing otherwhise the evidence is that the law school dropped the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Murderface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Murderface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murderface)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/47 "2017-10-15T01:22:19Z")
I’ve always been over it. It’s truly a hate group. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/48 "2017-10-15T01:41:02Z")
Nobody really gives a shit what right wingers think of BLM. You guys are poisoned by your propaganda. So no, I don’t care what you think, no I’m not going to try to change your mind, no I’m not going to explain how you’ve been lied to by your own side. You won’t listen, and I’m not interested in what you have to say about it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/49 "2017-10-15T01:56:11Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Nobody really gives a shit what right wingers think of BLM. You guys are poisoned by your propaganda. So no, I don’t care what you think, no I’m not going to try to change your mind, no I’m not going to explain how you’ve been lied to by your own side. You won’t listen, and I’m not interested in what you have to say about it. Um… right on, soul brother? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/50 "2017-10-15T02:04:58Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Um… right on, soul brother? Dude, the left could start a flag waving group called Patriots for Democracy that showed up at events waving the flag and peacefully marching, without violence, without harsh words, being hundreds of Mr. and Mrs. Rogers, and within a month Fox News and Breitbart would be filling the air waves with how dangerous this new left wing radical terrorist group is. There comes a point where you have to stop worrying about what those assholes think. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/51 "2017-10-15T02:22:06Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Nobody really gives a shit what right wingers think of BLM. You guys are poisoned by your propaganda. So no, I don’t care what you think, no I’m not going to try to change your mind, no I’m not going to explain how you’ve been lied to by your own side. You won’t listen, and I’m not interested in what you have to say about it. I know! Sometimes this place is indistinguishable from Free Republic. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/52 "2017-10-15T02:43:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > What your mollusc brain fails to get is that what the administration posted the next day was after the incident, Clearly after the groups involved did not show proper permission. Until something else shows up showing otherwhise the evidence is that the law school dropped the ball. You obviously cannot comprehend the linked article. The law school dean said it was approved at the law school level. Which is what I said. The meeting had approval at the law school level. Yet, the president of the university and a bunch of goons decide to put on a spectacle at that specific meeting. It’s pure political grandstanding and it’s part of a larger trend of illiberal behavior at colleges and universities. Enough of the bullshit about not being approved at the “university” level. How much would you wager that the president of the university leads a march of people into every random “unapproved” meeting on campus? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/53 "2017-10-15T02:52:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You obviously cannot comprehend the linked article. The law school dean said it was approved at the law school level. Which is what I said. The meeting had approval at the law school level. That remains an Opinion. > [@octopus](#): > > Yet, the president of the university and a bunch of goons decide to put on a spectacle at that specific meeting. It’s pure political grandstanding and it’s part of a larger trend of illiberal behavior at colleges and universities. That was an opinion too. > [@octopus](#): > > Enough of the bullshit about not being approved at the “university” level. How much would you wager that the president of the university leads a march of people into every random “unapproved” meeting on campus? Well that was… bullshit. And an opinion too. BTW lets remember that you wanted to pass an OPINION piece as a news article. Coming from a fellow that has also bullshitted a lot in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/54 "2017-10-15T03:20:30Z")
> [@treis](#): > > It’s too bad those are literally the only two options for protesting. I’d have more respect for that claim if it hadn’t passed through a bull’s intestinal system first. A lot more different ways of protesting than two have been tried. And right wingers keep pointing to whatever form non-right wingers are using and screaming “That’s unacceptable! You shouldn’t protest _that way_. You should be protesting _this way_.” And if the protesters listen to the right wingers (which is always a bad idea) and switch to protesting the way the right wingers claim is acceptable, what happens? The right wingers point to the non-right wingers and scream "That’s unacceptable! You shouldn’t protest _that way_. It’s clear the problem isn’t how the protests are being conducted. The problem is right wingers don’t want to allow any form of protest except right wing protest. They’re all snowflakes who can’t handle hearing anything they don’t agree with. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/55 "2017-10-15T03:36:52Z")
But in this case some of us left-wingers are joining in on the idea that physically preventing anyone you disagree with from speaking is not an acceptable form of protest in a free society. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/56 "2017-10-15T03:51:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Who is saying you have to do that? If you don’t want to hear what the person is saying, then what the fuck are you doing there listening to him in the first place. Get your ass up and leave!! That’s a time honored indication of protest. It may be time honored, but it doesn’t really qualify for a protest, in my opinion. The whole entire point of a protest is to try and stop what is going on. You don’t do that by walking out. All you’ve said is “I don’t like this.” And, rather than being honored, you are thought of as a baby who can’t take it. My first exposure to protesting was a strike. What happened in that strike? Did people just get up and leave and that’s it? No. They stood around protesting in front of the place where they worked. They couldn’t physically stop you from scabbing, but they did what they could to make it as socially unacceptable as possible. The end result? They finally got their wish, after a few months. The owners caved and realized they needed to make working conditions better and that you couldn’t strong-arm even unskilled workers into working for you. People who had no income got their backpay. It was fixed. I view all these suggestions of how to protest in ways that don’t inconvenience anyone as just an attempt to neuter the power of protesting. It was tried in the past, too. We are not trying to say “I don’t like it when you do these bigoted things.” We are trying to stop you from doing bigoted things. And it will continue until bigotry is a casualty of the culture war. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/57 "2017-10-15T04:00:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It may be time honored, but it doesn’t really qualify for a protest, in my opinion. The whole entire point of a protest is to try and stop what is going on. You don’t do that by walking out. All you’ve said is “I don’t like this.” And, rather than being honored, you are thought of as a baby who can’t take it. > > My first exposure to protesting was a strike. What happened in that strike? Did people just get up and leave and that’s it? No. They stood around protesting in front of the place where they worked. They couldn’t physically stop you from scabbing, but they did what they could to make it as socially unacceptable as possible. > > The end result? They finally got their wish, after a few months. The owners caved and realized they needed to make working conditions better and that you couldn’t strong-arm even unskilled workers into working for you. People who had no income got their backpay. It was fixed. > > I view all these suggestions of how to protest in ways that don’t inconvenience anyone as just an attempt to neuter the power of protesting. It was tried in the past, too. > > We are not trying to say “I don’t like it when you do these bigoted things.” We are trying to stop you from doing bigoted things. And it will continue until bigotry is a casualty of the culture war. “We?” Who have you stopped from doing something? You out protesting and “deplatforming” people? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/58 "2017-10-15T04:43:17Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > But in this case some of us left-wingers are joining in on the idea that physically preventing anyone you disagree with from speaking is not an acceptable form of protest in a free society. …and some of us are looking at you and going "hey, America has never been a “free society”: especially so for the marginalized. Native Americans were killed and forced off their lands. Black people were bought to your country in chains, made to work as slaves, and even when freed they did not get the vote until the 60’s. And some of us are looking at you and going “this is the straw that broke your back?” This is the thing that pisses you off? An insignificant protest that actually didn’t result in physically preventing someone they disagreed with from speaking? (That decision was made by someone else) And some of us are looking at you and saying get the fuck over it. If you really are worried about your “free society” then you should be asking yourself why the United States of America has a Press Freedom Ranking of 43 now, with a score just barely over the designation of “Problematic.” A handful of black protesters is not now and never will be a threat to your democracy. The real power in your country is held by white people: and the events of the last year should have made it crystal clear just how hard some of them will fight to make sure it stays that way. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/59 "2017-10-15T05:53:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and some of us are looking at you and going "hey, America has never been a “free society”: especially so for the marginalized. Native Americans were killed and forced off their lands. Black people were bought to your country in chains, made to work as slaves, and even when freed they did not get the vote until the 60’s. And some of us are looking at you and going “this is the straw that broke your back?” This is the thing that pisses you off? An insignificant protest that actually didn’t result in physically preventing someone they disagreed with from speaking? (That decision was made by someone else) > > And some of us are looking at you and saying get the fuck over it. If you really are worried about your “free society” then you should be asking yourself why the United States of America has a Press Freedom Ranking of 43 now, with a score just barely over the designation of “Problematic.” A handful of black protesters is not now and never will be a threat to your democracy. The real power in your country is held by white people: and the events of the last year should have made it crystal clear just how hard some of them will fight to make sure it stays that way. You are missing the big picture. If you want social change, not sure what sort of social change these fools at TSU are working towards with their actions, you don’t create unnecessary enemies with ridiculous actions. At this point, protesters are being lampooned because what they are protesting is counterproductive. A minority of 13% can’t do anything substantial without a sizable amount of allies. Why act in a manner that causes people to recoil? Now the sad thing is these sort of events will be hyped and amplified and used to create further division. If these people didn’t interrupt that event, it would have been a non-issue and the dude who went to speak would have talked to his audience of 30 and that would have been that. Same damn thing with the Nazis whenever they have a march. Fighting them only gives them tremendous publicity that they would otherwise not have. When will the left stop being so easily goaded? Ah well, at least it sells papers. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/60 "2017-10-15T06:10:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s clear the problem isn’t how the protests are being conducted. The problem is right wingers don’t want to allow any form of protest except right wing protest. They’re all snowflakes who can’t handle hearing anything they don’t agree with. As evidenced by all the times right wingers have come out and shut down events they don’t agree with, right? Seriously people, how would you feel if BLM decided tomorrow that the SDMB was giving a platform to Nazis and shut it down with a DOS attack? I’m sure it wouldn’t be “Oh it’s so wonderful oppressed people are standing up for themselves”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824.md?page=4)