# I'm over #BLM **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824 "2017-10-14T15:43:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/121 "2017-10-26T06:40:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Racism and homophobia aren’t necessarily and probably shouldn’t be part of a simplistic one axis left-right political categorization. Granted, in the US at least, it seems abortion maps a bit more accurately. > > I’m not seeing the relevance of all this, though, in a thread about illiberal behavior with regards to suppressing fundamental civil rights. Can’t people be against violence and the suppression of free speech without being obligated to recite a list of historical sins first? Nope. You were the one that claimed all the violence and murder coming from the right is a direct response to the violence and murder from the left. Yet only one side is actively killing the other, and it started long before any of the current groups were even a gleam in a right-fetishist’s eye. You made the claim, don’t back out now. Own it! Show those filthy liberals how truth, justice, and the American Way will win the day! Or be a lying coward, that seems to work for you. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/122 "2017-10-26T06:48:10Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t give a shit why, because I corrected you, and pointed out that the U.S. was hardly the only nation with a history of abuse and oppression? …you didn’t fucking correct me. It wasn’t until 1965, the Voters Right Act and the introduction of federal oversight that black people truly got the right to vote. You concede that much in your initial response to me. Even today people are actively trying to disenfranchise the black vote. So don’t pretend that the “correction” you made changes my point. They were bought to your country in chains. They are still fighting voter ID legislation and gerrymandering. Black people had nothing to do with drafting of the 1st Amendment. And you want to lecture me on the history of abuse and oppression? Are you being fucking serious? I don’t need a reminder. My family lived through it. Some died because of it. The United States is not the only nation with a history of abuse and oppression. But it is the only country that is called the United States of Fucking America: and this thread is about the US of A, Black Lives Matters, and the first amendment. So if you want to discuss what happened to my ancestors then start that thread and I’ll join you. But as you’ve just confirmed: you don’t really give a shit: so I don’t expect that to happen. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/123 "2017-10-26T07:02:43Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Nope. You were the one that claimed all the violence and murder coming from the right is a direct response to the violence and murder from the left. Yet only one side is actively killing the other, and it started long before any of the current groups were even a gleam in a right-fetishist’s eye. > > You made the claim, don’t back out now. Own it! Show those filthy liberals how truth, justice, and the American Way will win the day! > > Or be a lying coward, that seems to work for you. Stop acting so stupidly and dishonestly. Where have I ever made that claim you claim I made? Do people really need to type out 20 paragraphs of disclaimers and qualifying remarks before making a statement? :rolleyes: Seriously. Not every particular event is linked directly to the entire history of the world. You _ **can** _ have a particular act linked to a particular set of other acts without needing to start from the Big Bang. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/124 "2017-10-26T07:05:05Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you didn’t fucking correct me. It wasn’t until 1965, the Voters Right Act and the introduction of federal oversight that black people truly got the right to vote. You concede that much in your initial response to me. Even today people are actively trying to disenfranchise the black vote. So don’t pretend that the “correction” you made changes my point. They were bought to your country in chains. They are still fighting voter ID legislation and gerrymandering. Black people had nothing to do with drafting of the 1st Amendment. > > And you want to lecture me on the history of abuse and oppression? Are you being fucking serious? I don’t need a reminder. My family lived through it. Some died because of it. The United States is not the only nation with a history of abuse and oppression. But it is the only country that is called the United States of Fucking America: and this thread is about the US of A, Black Lives Matters, and the first amendment. So if you want to discuss what happened to my ancestors then start that thread and I’ll join you. But as you’ve just confirmed: you don’t really give a shit: so I don’t expect that to happen. Who cares if black people had anything to do with the 1st amendment? Neither did the Chinese or Japanese or any other random group or nationality. While here in the USA, however, it should apply equally to all. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/125 "2017-10-26T07:16:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Who cares if black people had anything to do with the 1st amendment? Neither did the Chinese or Japanese or any other random group or nationality. While here in the USA, however, it should apply equally to all. …you are entirely correct. It isn’t just about black people. Which is why I mentioned Indigenous Americans. Women. You are correct to bring up the Chinese and the Japanese. It was white men who drafted the constitution: who drafted the 1st amendment. But that happened centuries ago. Its a different world now. America is a great big “melting pot.” Technology has changed. How we communicate has changed. Who has the power to make their voice heard in your society has changed. Its the perfect time to have a discussion about the first amendment and the impact that it has on all elements of your society. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/126 "2017-10-26T13:09:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you didn’t fucking correct me. … except she did kind of correct you. If you want to be taken seriously a discussion, you should avoid saying things that are false. If you _meant_ that blacks only de facto had the right to vote as of the Voting Rights Act, that’s what you should have said. Frankly, you come across as someone whose opinions about the US don’t necessarily jibe with their knowledge of the facts on the ground here. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/127 "2017-10-26T14:33:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Oh, don’t stop with anti-fa. > > How many abortion doctors have been killed by pro-life terrorists? How many pro-life activists have been killed by pro-choice terrorists? > > How many gay people have been killed by anti-queer terrorists? How many straight people have been killed by queer terrorists? > > How many black people have been killed by the KKK? How many white people have been murdered by… well, hell, put any name in there you want. Black Panthers? Nation of Islam? Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition? > > The only political issue where the American left has a significantly higher bodycount than the right is environmentalism, and that’s only because poisoning our water and air isn’t technically political violence. And even that (the last bit) is debatable. Almost all of the accusations about millions dying because of changes made to deal with environmental concerns by the right (in the USA) are poppycock. > **[Why Some People Think Rachel Carson Killed More People Than Hitler](https://slate.com/technology/2012/09/silent-spring-turns-50-biographer-william-souder-clears-up-myths-about-rachel-carson.html)** > > Silent Spring, Rachel Carson’s landmark warning about the indiscriminate use of pesticides, turns 50 this month. By extension, that puts the... > [@](#): > > The claim that Rachel Carson is responsible for the devastations of malaria, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, has gained renewed traction in recent years. The American Enterprise Institute and other free-market conservatives have defended the safety and efficacy of DDT—and the claim of Carson’s “guilt” in the deaths of millions of Africans is routinely parroted by people who are clueless about the content of Silent Spring or the sources of the attacks now made against it. The Competitive Enterprise Institute, a limited-government, free-enterprise think tank, maintains the website [rachelwaswrong.org](http://rachelwaswrong.org), which details Carson’s complicity in the continuing plague of malaria. In 2004, the late writer Michael Crichton offered a bite-sized and easy-to-remember indictment of Carson’s crime: “Banning DDT,” Crichton wrote, “killed more people than Hitler.” This was dialogue in a novel, but in interviews Crichton made it clear this was what he believed. > **[Evolution and DDT | ScienceBlogs](https://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2007/09/22/evolution-and-ddt)** > > Tim Lambert over at Deltoid links to this article, by Aaron Swartz, about the relentless right-wing smear campaign against Rachel Carson. Carson was the author of the 1962 book Silent Spring, where she argued, among other things, that pervasive use... > [@](#): > > ``` > DDT use has decreased enormously, but not because of a ban. The real reason is simple, although not one conservatives are particularly fond of: evolution. Mosquito populations rapidly develop resistance to DDT, creating enzymes to detoxify it, modifying their nervous systems to avoid its effects, and avoiding areas where DDT is sprayed — and recent research finds that that resistance continues to spread even after DDT spraying has stopped, lowering the effectiveness not only of DDT but also other pesticides (Current Biology, 8/9/05). > > “No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored,” Carson wrote in Silent Spring. “The question that has now urgently presented itself is whether it is either wise or responsible to attack the problem by methods that are rapidly making it worse. . . . Resistance to insecticides by mosquitoes . . . has surged upwards at an astounding rate.” > > ``` If the issue is about other environmental regulations killing people, those are also not as clear as some sources report it. Clean Air Act > **[Progress Cleaning the Air and Improving People's Health | US EPA](https://www.epa.gov/clean-air-act-overview/progress-cleaning-air-and-improving-peoples-health#breathe)** > > Actions to implement the Clean Air Act have achieved dramatic reductions in air pollution, preventing hundreds of thousands of cases of serious health effects each year. > [@](#): > > Because of the Act, Americans breathe less pollution and face lower risks of premature death and other serious health effects. > > A peer-reviewed EPA study issued in March 2011 found that the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 are achieving large health benefits that will grow further over time as programs take full effect. > > This chart shows the health benefits of Clean Air Act programs that reduce levels of fine particles and ozone. > > * * * > > ``` > The 2011 report did not include the large benefits of the pre-1990 Clean Air Act. A peer-reviewed 1997 EPA Report to Congress reviewed the benefits of the Act from 1970 to 1990, and concluded that in 1990 alone, pollution reductions under the Act prevented 205,000 early deaths, 10.4 million lost I.Q. points in children due to lead exposure, and millions of other cases of health effects. > > Independent scientific research shows that reductions in air pollution are associated with widespread public health benefits. For example, one study found that reductions in fine particle pollution between 1980 and 2000 in U.S. cities led to improvements in average life expectancy at birth of approximately seven months.1 > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/128 "2017-10-26T14:34:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Stop acting so stupidly and dishonestly. Where have I ever made that claim you claim I made? > [@octopus](#): > > You do realize that the violence by the extreme left directed at those on the right has been on ongoing problem. Did you honestly think that given enough time those on the extreme right wouldn’t fight as well? Is there another way to parse that statement? Again, what’s the body count for Antifa? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/129 "2017-10-26T14:43:37Z")
“But you people are violent! My media tells me so!” Says the people whose media sells them fear and outrage every day, like my sig line says. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/130 "2017-10-26T18:38:55Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > … except she did kind of correct you. If you want to be taken seriously a discussion, you should avoid saying things that are false. If you _meant_ that blacks only de facto had the right to vote as of the Voting Rights Act, that’s what you should have said. …when you say things like “kind of correct me” you are weaseling out of the fact that she kind of really didn’t. This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about. It makes you comfortable to think that black people had the “de facto” right to vote for the majority of the existence of the United States of America. The reality? Not so important for you. > [@](#): > > Frankly, you come across as someone whose opinions about the US don’t necessarily jibe with their knowledge of the facts on the ground here. Feel free to critique my opinions. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/131 "2017-10-26T21:26:35Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you are entirely correct. It isn’t just about black people. Which is why I mentioned Indigenous Americans. Women. You are correct to bring up the Chinese and the Japanese. It was white men who drafted the constitution: who drafted the 1st amendment. But that happened centuries ago. Its a different world now. America is a great big “melting pot.” Technology has changed. How we communicate has changed. Who has the power to make their voice heard in your society has changed. Its the perfect time to have a discussion about the first amendment and the impact that it has on all elements of your society. The validity of an idea doesn’t depend on the color, ethnicity, religion, gender, political party, etc. of the person expressing it. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Is there another way to parse that statement? Again, what’s the body count for Antifa? Yes there is and who cares what the body count of Antifa is? They engage in violence to shut down people’s fundamental rights. I don’t feel bad when they get violence in return. It’s like those people who were offended that that one girl got punched in the beak at one of these Antifa instigated melees. Why were people offended when she got consequenced? If you form a mob and attack people over their political point of view why the outrage when violence gets met with violence? Again, do we really want to go the route of who can bring the most violent mob is the only group to have rights? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/132 "2017-10-26T21:43:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes there is and who cares what the body count of Antifa is? They engage in violence to shut down people’s fundamental rights. I don’t feel bad when they get violence in return. It’s like those people who were offended that that one girl got punched in the beak at one of these Antifa instigated melees. Why were people offended when she got consequenced? > > If you form a mob and attack people over their political point of view why the outrage when violence gets met with violence? Again, do we really want to go the route of who can bring the most violent mob is the only group to have rights? Antifa hasn’t run anyone down with a car. Antifa hasn’t opened fire on people that disagree with them. Strangely enough, Antifa wasn’t even THERE on those occasions. You’re blaming left wing violence while the right wing is actively trying to kill people. THERE’S NO COMPETITION FOR WHICH SIDE IS MOST VIOLENT. But hey, let’s compare bike locks to cars and wine bottles to bullets. Both sides are the same, and Heather Heyer had it coming. You still try to argue that the left has started it, when every historical record clearly shows right wing violence is the most dangerous domestic threat in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/133 "2017-10-26T22:59:41Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you didn’t fucking correct me. It wasn’t until 1965, the Voters Right Act and the introduction of federal oversight that black people truly got the right to vote. You concede that much in your initial response to me. Even today people are actively trying to disenfranchise the black vote. So don’t pretend that the “correction” you made changes my point. They were bought to your country in chains. They are still fighting voter ID legislation and gerrymandering. Black people had nothing to do with drafting of the 1st Amendment. Well if that’s what you meant, then that’s what you should have said. Don’t blame me because you didn’t make it clear what you were talking about. > [@](#): > > And you want to lecture me on the history of abuse and oppression? Are you being fucking serious? I don’t need a reminder. My family lived through it. Some died because of it. The United States is not the only nation with a history of abuse and oppression. But it is the only country that is called the United States of Fucking America: and this thread is about the US of A, Black Lives Matters, and the first amendment. So if you want to discuss what happened to my ancestors then start that thread and I’ll join you. But as you’ve just confirmed: you don’t really give a shit: so I don’t expect that to happen. MY reply was not to minimize what has happened to people in this country, nor what has happened in others. I got the impression from you that you believed the US was unique in its history of oppression from this particular remark: > [@](#): > > …America is a fucking strange country. And: > [@](#): > > The first amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. It was drafted by a bunch of long dead white men. Black people were not part of the conversation. Indigenous Americans were not part of the original conversation. Women were not part of the original conversation. The world of 2017 is not the same as it was in 1791. The world that we live in now is close to the one imagined by Karl Rove, that he described as " reality-based communities." The President of the United States lies on average 4.6 times a day. The White House broadcasts “soviet-level” propaganda now. Social media is carefully curated: showing only the things an individual wants to see. The news networks control and dictate the narrative. Trump has been normalised. The uranium scandal is now a thing. Hillary’s emails are still an issue. > > It is ironic, that when people of colour, who were bought to your country in chains, only got the right to vote in the 60’s, who never ever had any input into your precious constitution and your first amendment, that when they try to make their voices heard, they get told to shut up. If I was wrong, I apologize. Do I think BLM and/or others should “shut up”? Fuck, no. But I do not believe others should be told to shut up either. Support for freedom of speech is not a support for hate and I’m sick of people implying that it is. If anything, freedom of speech has been used to FIGHT oppression. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/134 "2017-10-27T00:59:20Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Antifa hasn’t run anyone down with a car. Antifa hasn’t opened fire on people that disagree with them. Strangely enough, Antifa wasn’t even THERE on those occasions. > > You’re blaming left wing violence while the right wing is actively trying to kill people. THERE’S NO COMPETITION FOR WHICH SIDE IS MOST VIOLENT. But hey, let’s compare bike locks to cars and wine bottles to bullets. Both sides are the same, and Heather Heyer had it coming. You still try to argue that the left has started it, when every historical record clearly shows right wing violence is the most dangerous domestic threat in the US. Antifa needs to stop bringing a wine bottle to a riot. Tell them to step up their game. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/135 "2017-10-27T04:08:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Antifa needs to stop bringing a wine bottle to a riot. Tell them to step up their game. Yep, it’s definitely the LEFT that’s advocating violence. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/136 "2017-10-27T04:14:34Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Yep, it’s definitely the LEFT that’s advocating violence. :rolleyes: I don’t think political violence from either side is a good thing at this point of time in the USA. All I’m saying is if people engage in political violence don’t be surprised when people get hurt. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/137 "2017-10-27T05:00:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t think political violence from either side is a good thing at this point of time in the USA. All I’m saying is if people engage in political violence don’t be surprised when people get hurt. Yeah, look at what happened to those poor slaver confederates when Sherman marched over them. They were blameless and pure for sure! I’m sure that the followers of those that want to protect their peculiar institution’s [heritage](https://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-drags-trump-for-bringing-confederate-statues-heritage-debate-into-virginia-gov-election/) are peaceniks and are not tossing gasoline into the fire. [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/138 "2017-10-27T05:05:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > are not tossing gasoline into the fire. [/sarcasm] They’re not tossing gasoline into the fire. They’re putting it in their cars and running over such violent criminals as Heather Heyer. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/139 "2017-10-27T05:11:33Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > They’re not tossing gasoline into the fire. They’re putting it in their cars and running over such violent criminals as Heather Heyer. So the problem is people seeking to engage political violence were met with political violence? I’m not seeing the problem when a mob that looks for a fight gets a fight. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/140 "2017-10-27T05:38:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So the problem is people seeking to engage political violence were met with political violence? I’m not seeing the problem when a mob that looks for a fight gets a fight. I already cited that people like the fascists did plan to seek violence, do you have a cite that Heather Heyer was doing the same? Or you just do not care that protesters of the bigots had their free speech rights denied by the use of direct violence? > **[Heather Heyer, victim of Charlottesville car attack, was civil rights activist](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/woman-killed-at-white-supremacist-rally-in-charlottesville-named)** > > Heyer, 32, a legal assistant from Virginia, was one of 20 people struck by vehicle driven into a crowd of counter-protesters [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824.md?page=8)