# I'm over #BLM **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824 "2017-10-14T15:43:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/161 "2017-10-28T01:03:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Your implication that only one side acted illegally. The violence was overwhelmingly on one side in Charlottesville. Maybe there was at least one liberal who initiated violence. Or maybe not. But there were definitely tons of white supremacists (who generally identify on the right and support Trump) who planned for violence, initiated violence, injured and killed people, and expressed satisfaction for committing violence afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/162 "2017-10-28T01:07:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What matters is who violated the law and who initiated hostilities through illegal action. It was the Nazis. They invaded Poland. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/163 "2017-10-28T02:41:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tsk, tsk! A lying potty mouth! Why should I respond to you when not only you have really poor reading comprehension but you are also very dishonest? > > Go ahead and continue supporting violent suppression of speech and keep feigning shock, surprise, and outrage when that violence is hard to constrain. You are really daft. So nothing on Heather Heyer being an extremist? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/164 "2017-10-28T03:25:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The violence was overwhelmingly on one side in Charlottesville. Maybe there was at least one liberal who initiated violence. Or maybe not. But there were definitely tons of white supremacists (who generally identify on the right and support Trump) who planned for violence, initiated violence, injured and killed people, and expressed satisfaction for committing violence afterwards. That’s besides the point. There are many rallies where the predominant form of violence is antifa. The point is if you express the legitimacy of using violence to suppress fundamental freedoms AND engage in violence to suppress fundamental freedoms don’t be surprised, shocked, or outraged when violence happens. Redundantly expressing biased information in order to create martyrs is nothing but a distraction. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was the Nazis. They invaded Poland. Yeah, and those Nazis got dealt with. Germany got lumped up for that invasion. In large part by the Soviets who weren’t angels themselves. I guess that actually may support the totalitarian point of view though. Without extreme tyranny would the USSR have been able to industrialize in time? > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > So nothing on Heather Heyer being an extremist? When mobs of people clash it’s impossible to disentangle the justified carnage from the unjustified. Which is my point that you fools in this thread deliberately distort. When violence is a justified tactic for suppression of rights, those willing to use violence are the ones with rights. I honestly can’t believe this is a difficult subject. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/165 "2017-10-28T04:16:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s besides the point. There are many rallies where the predominant form of violence is antifa. The point is if you express the legitimacy of using violence to suppress fundamental freedoms AND engage in violence to suppress fundamental freedoms [Post shortened] Had to stop there because indeed, all the rest of your post is a nothingburger because neither him or others are not saying that violence is justified. Again: it is when violence enters the picture when freedom of expression is not a defense. It is honestly too hard to get for a mollusk, I know. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/166 "2017-10-28T04:31:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [Post shortened] > > Had to stop there because indeed, all the rest of your post is a nothingburger because neither him or others are not saying that violence is justified. Again: it is when violence enters the picture when freedom of expression is not a defense. > > It is honestly too hard to get for a mollusk, I know. You must not pay attention to these boards. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/167 "2017-10-28T04:50:56Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You must not pay attention to these boards. And one more irrelevant thing from you too. If you had better cognition you should know that me and others already did say that those do not get any support when violence enters the picture. And even then I already did say that I agree with taking BLM out if they interrupt a meet. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824/168 "2017-10-28T11:38:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s besides the point. There are many rallies where the predominant form of violence is antifa. The point is if you express the legitimacy of using violence to suppress fundamental freedoms AND engage in violence to suppress fundamental freedoms don’t be surprised, shocked, or outraged when violence happens. > > Redundantly expressing biased information in order to create martyrs is nothing but a distraction. Very few, at most, people in this thread are in favor of violence. I’m against violence and I believe that violence is no more a problem on the left than on the right, and I think the statistics support this. And I think pretty much of all of the violence that’s occurred is _not_ in response to any other violence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-over-blm/798824.md?page=8)